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greetings and salutations true seekers

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and welcome to another exciting edition

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of the midnight hour

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the mystery man show with me your host

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stephen canby

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because who better than a magician

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a man trained in the art of deception

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and misdirection to investigate for you

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some of the greatest mysteries on planet

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earth

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broadcasting from a secure and secret

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location somewhere in the united states

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traveling to you at light speed through

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the miracle of this thing called the

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internet

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tonight we're gonna go down one of my

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very favorite rabbit holes again and

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that is on the subject of ufos

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our extraterrestrial spacecraft really

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visiting earth

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are alien intelligences

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let's find out

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tonight ladies and gentlemen i am so

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excited and delighted to let you know

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that tonight's guest is none other than

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ufo researcher author and lecturer

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stanton friedman

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godfather of ufology

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he was the original civilian

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investigator into the roswell incident

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and is largely responsible for why

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people even know about roswell today

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he is quite possibly the most

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respected ufologist or person that

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studies the field of ufos in the world

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today and with good reason when stanton

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talks people listen

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he is a man of science a nuclear

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physicist who believes in ufos and

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extraterrestrial spacecraft visiting

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earth he's one of the most respected

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authors and in-demand lecturers in the

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field today and you know all of his

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lectures and books are based on solid

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evidence solid science and great

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research which is why i can't wait to

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talk to them so without further ado

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let's go to the mystery phone

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you know i don't even know where to

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start i've read all your books and

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everything i i guess the first question

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i have for you is

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what really got you from your background

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interested in ufos and what kept you so

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it's pretty straightforward actually i

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was working as a young nuclear physicist

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for general electric aircraft nuclear

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propulsion department in cincinnati way

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back in 1958

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and it was a big program and it was

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exciting work

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work was classified but it wasn't a

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black budget program

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and i was ordering books from

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marlborough books i think in new york at

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that time i don't know where they are

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and i needed one more book i had no

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particular interest in ufos i had read a

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lot of science fiction when i was young

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and i needed one more book so i wouldn't

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and there was the report on unidentified

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flying objects by air force captain

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edward j rupelt who had headed project

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one thought was gee if these things are

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real and i didn't have an opinion i

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don't believe you're entitled to an

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opinion if you don't have any facts at

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uh if these things are real

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it would certainly help our program

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getting more support for nuclear

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it wasn't costing me anything because

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it intrigued me it didn't convince me

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my neighbor charlie who was 10 years

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older than i was and a good engineer

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that impressed me because i was

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impressed with charlie

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electronics electrical engineers group

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and he said the first thing he said was

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we knew you his wife was with them when

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you didn't believe in flying saucers

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that was good to hear

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anyway i read that book because i went

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and some of them were crashing if i read

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them first i'd have never read another

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at the university of california berkeley

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library i found a copy of the largest

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study ever done for the united states

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air force project blue book special

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the trouble was it wasn't mentioned in

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any of the books that i had read

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they included whoever put leon dr leon

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davidson who worked at los alamos and

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it was published in 1955 this was

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and he included a copy of the press

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which got very wide distribution but the

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report didn't get wide distribution and

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i was totally shocked to find two things

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charts tables graphs maps i was in data

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heaven

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of the air force

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donald quarles

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said on the basis of this study

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we believe that no objects such as those

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properly described as flying saucers

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have overflown the united states even

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the unknown three percent

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could have been identified as

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conventional phenomena or illusions

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well that was a total lie and i don't

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like being lied to i mean i had to

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report and hear the charts the tables

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and graphs the unknowns and they looked

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at 3201 cases that's a lot of cases

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that's why i say the biggest study ever

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the press release incidentally didn't

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give the title of the report and some

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newsmen would certainly have asked what

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happened to one through twelve about one

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through thirteen

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was no 13 because you know like some

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buildings don't have 13th floor

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which is nonsense you know

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unknowns which is a long way from 30

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uh but they had a quality evaluation the

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better the quality of the sun more

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likely to be unexplainable they had a

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separate category called insufficient

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information if there wasn't enough data

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available about a sighting to reach a

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conclusion it was listed as insufficient

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information which is not what the air

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force said that's a little different

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than explained too yes

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cross-comparison

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on the basis of six different

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observables apparent color size shape

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speed that sort of thing they found the

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probability that the unknowns were just

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miss knows was less than one percent the

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two groups did not match

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and so i got angry i don't like being

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lied to i mean

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having a security clearance you get used

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to sort of sometimes tiptoeing around

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the truth but flat out blatant lying

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like this they also the press release

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their connection between battelle

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memorial institute

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which did do the work in columbus ohio

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very well respected research and

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development firm they run a couple of

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big national labs so i visited their own

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i got determined i joined the two big

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phenomena research organization and

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national investigations committee on

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and started talking to guys at lunch

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government-sponsored research and

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development programs because i moved on

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you know you spend the money and

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instantly many people have no idea how

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big these programs were how much money

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was spent when i was working on

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g-e-a-n-p aircraft company propulsion

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our budget in 1958 was 100 million

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we employed 3 500 people of whom 1100

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this wasn't six professors and twenty

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it was a major program

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yeah and i like i say i enjoyed the work

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because i had access to all kinds of

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exotic materials

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lithium hydride for example beryllium

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gadolinium hydride that was one of my

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you don't see much of that on the market

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anyway i moved to indianapolis to work

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and when i was there i got to know frank

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edwards who was a journalist

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and he was on the board of nightcap he

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was very interested in ufos and he wrote

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because the gm project folded

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to work for westinghouse astronuclear

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and frank gave me a copy of his book and

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i called him and i said frank you know

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everybody and he did

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uh i want to go public on this subject

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so he gave me some names and one of them

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was the producer for a radio talk show

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called would you believe contact

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kdka pittsburgh which is the biggest uh

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i don't you probably know about kdka but

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media outlet in pittsburgh at that time

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i called

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the guy who was the producer of the show

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thinking that being a westinghouse

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nuclear physicist in pittsburgh which is

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a westinghouse town

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you'd of course want to have me on

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no he didn't don't call us we'll call

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you well less than a month later he

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called me because somebody had cancelled

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at the last minute

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could i please go on the show at seven

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o'clock

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this is 6 30.

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uh and i

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often wondered how many people did he

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i lived close to the station so

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i could make the show

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and because of that show

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and i wasn't as

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adept at that time as dealing with the

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somebody at work at westinghouse

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a woman called me and said

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stan we have a book review club and

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we're reading frank's book could you

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give us a talk about flying saucers

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so my first lecture was in somebody's

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living room in pittsburgh

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and i did the show many times and i

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did a lot more lectures

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and then

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you know things happen there must be a

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reason i don't know why but

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i'm riding to work one of two days in a

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three year period with the supervisor at

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westinghouse a woman who had a phd from

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carnegie mellon

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and uh

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my car was in the garage i needed a ride

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and

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westinghouse astro nuclear lab was out

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in a small town called large believe it

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or not

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and i'm talking to joanne and i said

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yeah i'd like to speak at carnegie

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mellon

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he said you talked to the dean

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well no i talked to dr so-and-so and he

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wasn't interested she said stan the

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dean's my husband he's heard you on the

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radio why don't you give him a call

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okay

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so i called them

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and we arranged for a date

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uh three weeks later and in the

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afternoon so i'd have to take some time

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off order

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his last question was how much do you

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want

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[Applause]

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how about a hundred dollars thinking

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you'd knock me down to 50. this is in

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1967.

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uh sold he bought me for a hundred but

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then

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he

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three speakers in my book from that

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agent and he gene told me what he was

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paying these guys 1500 1700 1600.

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a lot of money back then yeah

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yeah and so

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well yeah

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and he sent a letter to the agents after

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i had done a good job and we had a good

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crowd and lots of questions and so forth

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the agent booked me in a very important

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talk for me the engineering society of

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detroit

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[Applause]

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now i made to buy japanese cars but i

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certainly respect the engineering

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society of detroit

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and they paid me 300 bucks plus expenses

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and what was shocking to me frankly

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is it turned out they were sold out

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three weeks in advance for a thousand

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and eight people for dinner and a talk

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and there wasn't one negative question

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that impressed the heck out of me

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because i had to respect these people

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and these weren't little ladies and

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tennis shoes you know the old expression

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so i gave more more talks and uh science

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background and they're still have a huge

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interest in this

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yeah which came as a

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i had no idea what to expect

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and uh so i gave uh i

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talked the gable talk was still giving

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talks whenever i could

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and i asked my boss i need some advice i

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said guidance

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uh i like

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talking it turns out i'm a real leo i

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enjoy being on the stage

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and at that time i had a great memory so

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i could count on my data being right

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uh i said i need some advice uh what

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restrictions and so on because i don't

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want to lose my job i want to lose my

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clearance you know and got a mortgage

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and family and so forth

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and the

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comeback was look

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uh the three rules

402
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we would suggest

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one you can say whatever you please

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wherever you please on your time

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two you can identify yourself as a

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westinghouse nuclear physicist

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and three we'd like you to start your

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talk with a disclaimer

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that the views you're about to hear are

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mine and mine alone and not those of my

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employer

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who could ask for anything more

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well i did ask for something more

414
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because i got a call from an associate

415
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at los alamos national laboratory

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in new mexico he was working on

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radiation shielding for nuclear rockets

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and by this time that's what i was

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working on for westinghouse so we saw

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him on business a couple of times

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stan how about speaking to the local

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section of the american nuclear society

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i'd be delighted i'm a member of the

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nuclear society and he said i mean on an

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expense account oh

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i don't make those

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decisions

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check with management yeah they paid for

429
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me to go from pittsburgh to

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los alamos new mexico to give a lecture

431
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flying saucers are real

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uh that was on the payroll and they paid

433
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the expenses and they didn't hide it

434
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you know sometimes you say technical

435
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discussion some reason for trips

436
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and

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they had over 500 people one of the

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biggest crowds they ever had and again

439
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there were no negative questions

440
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so i was enthusiastic

441
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and i thought

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my best technical moment in my

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professional life was

444
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shortly thereafter when we tested

445
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our nuclear rocket reactor propulsion

446
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system out at the nuclear test site in

447
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nevada and it was a great success

448
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i

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level of our system was eleven hundred

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megawatts

451
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uh los alamos's system a little later

452
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uh was forty four hundred megawatts

453
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twice the power of hoover dam

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uh

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and it was less than eight feet in

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diameter and the exhaust temperature of

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the liquid hydrogen when in cold came

458
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out very hot was over four thousand

459
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degrees

460
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very impressive and then of course the

461
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this was back when we still had a space

462
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program i mean now all we do is low

463
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earth or earth orbit we don't have any

464
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well

465
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yes we do we use the russians to take us

466
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up to the space station

467
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well how do you know not to get

468
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sidetracked but how do you feel about

469
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what

470
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i've read all this research about

471
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nuclear propulsion and they they could

472
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have went to anywhere with that and

473
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instead

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well to mars orbit you know

475
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yeah i i'll tell you i was at a meeting

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when i was at the third part of the

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three groups uh was urgent general in

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sacramento they built

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a more flight ready system than we had

480
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it was only a thousand megawatts and i

481
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was out there for technical discussions

482
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and

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my counterpart asked hey you want to

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attend a meeting the space nuclear

485
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propulsion office that's having a

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meeting

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to discuss what we should do with the

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nuclear rocket

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worst meeting i ever attended in my life

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they had no idea what they wanted to do

491
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with the nuclear weapon well we could go

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earth orbit lunar orbit we could set up

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a base on the moon uh

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maybe we should go to mars no nobody'd

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pay for that and

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look if you don't have a goal you don't

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get the doe to go where you want to go

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my model is the

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nuclear navy admiral rickover

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people hated his guts but he developed

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nuclear submarines

502
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you know we heard an awful lot at least

503
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i did growing up about the danger of the

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german u-boats during the war

505
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sinking ships all over the place they

506
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could stay under water for about a day

507
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they needed oxygen air for the diesel

508
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engines so you had to come up to get the

509
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the nuclear submarine could go around

510
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the world under water

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without coming up for anything

512
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and then they built nuclear

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aircraft carriers

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which believe it or not

515
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could operate for 18 years without

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refueling

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yeah i've read about that that's amazing

518
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to me like i didn't believe that it's

519
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something that because i've been on one

520
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and and it's so huge huge yes

521
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and to think like this thing doesn't

522
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even have to

523
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refuel like i'm not a nuclear physicist

524
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i guess they they have to refuel the

525
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reactor every 18 years no new uranium

526
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yeah something like that yeah because

527
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they use what's called burnable poison

528
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there are materials that absorb neutrons

529
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so if they decrease at the same rate as

530
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the uranium decreases because it's

531
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getting used up slowly

532
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then the balance stays okay

533
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you got to be clever on how you do this

534
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but

535
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there's an analogy here which may not

536
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:15,120
strike people go from there to the space

537
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,400
program

538
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:18,720
people tell me about how could a saucer

539
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come here from another solar system and

540
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crash in the desert come on stan that

541
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wouldn't happen

542
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i don't think what crashed in the desert

543
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at roswell or aztec or any place else

544
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it came directly i think it was an earth

545
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excursion module on board a huge mother

546
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ship yeah we have no craft right i've

547
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,600
heard you say that yeah i completely

548
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agree with you

549
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yeah just as the aircraft carrier has

550
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about 75 little airplanes i can operate

551
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for what two hours without refueling a

552
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good day you know

553
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so

554
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we too look take

555
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notice of the fact that we're dealing

556
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with two different environments between

557
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the stars is one environment a lot of

558
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nothing no atmosphere to worry about

559
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,440
eating and gravity and all this kind of

560
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stuff

561
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and when you get to a planet then you

562
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got to worry about

563
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lift drag heating

564
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sonic boom production all kinds of other

565
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things

566
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and incidentally the way around that is

567
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to create

568
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an ionized air region ionize the air

569
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around you and then you can interact

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with electric and magnetic fields and

571
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get around all the problems of

572
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,720
high-speed flight and i mentioned that

573
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,720
because right after our great success at

574
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,480
westinghouse

575
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,640
but cancel the program

576
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,559
and i'm looking around for a job and i

577
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:36,880
got a job offer from mcdonald douglas

578
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,600
astronautics in california

579
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,280
and my job

580
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,080
it's unimaginable today but it was

581
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,000
was going to be

582
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,039
to decide how to determine how flying

583
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:50,960
saucers worked

584
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:54,080
wow who could ask for anything more

585
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:57,679
well as i'm driving across the country i

586
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,320
hear on the radio that the program got

587
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,000
cancelled

588
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:03,919
that was sponsoring this the manned

589
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,720
orbiting laboratory program i walk in

590
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,480
would you believe with my offered letter

591
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:09,919
and she says you know we just laid off

592
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,600
5000 people yeah i know

593
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,880
they kept them for

594
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,240
for three months

595
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,840
but one of the things i did in those

596
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,679
three months

597
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:20,880
uh

598
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:23,760
was do a literature search on government

599
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:27,039
reports using one key word

600
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:31,200
magneto aerodynamics

601
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:34,720
and much to my surprise i got 900

602
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,280
references but 90 percent were

603
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,960
classified

604
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,120
somebody was spending a lot of money

605
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,840
looking at this plasma around the craft

606
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,440
and the atmosphere i mean nose cones

607
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,280
have this problem you understand so you

608
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,440
can understand some of that

609
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,440
and we don't know what else they might

610
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,440
have developed

611
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,679
it it's

612
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,360
there's several things that

613
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:00,159
the uh nasty noisy negativist uses their

614
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,440
primary arguments anti-ufo there's no

615
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,840
evidence ask you because you're so

616
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,840
you're so uniquely qualified having

617
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,640
worked on nuclear rockets and all this

618
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,840
sort of thing

619
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,200
i've heard you talk about this before

620
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,440
and and i get the same argument how do

621
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,600
they get there from here

622
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,120
well okay can you explain to our

623
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,840
listeners how fast could you go with a

624
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,400
nuclear powered rocket or some kind of

625
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,159
exhaust well propulsion like that and

626
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,000
how long would it take you to get to

627
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,799
let's say the nearest star from here

628
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,799
well let's look first at where you might

629
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,320
want to go

630
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,559
now i've read recent papers that well

631
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:37,919
since the nearest civilization is

632
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:41,360
probably a thousand light years away and

633
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:42,880
take it from there

634
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:45,440
well with the wonderful

635
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,640
uh

636
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,679
kepler

637
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,840
space satellite which is looking for

638
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:51,919
planets

639
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,120
we now have a basis for saying

640
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,720
that on the average every star

641
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:01,360
has one or more planets some say one

642
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:02,840
some say

643
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,080
1.6 okay let's put that in the local

644
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,840
neighborhood here

645
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,679
in the betty and barney hill abduction

646
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:12,000
case there was a star map and the base

647
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,720
star was 39 light years away from us

648
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,039
that's just down the street but within a

649
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:20,880
hundred light years there are

650
00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:24,799
approximately 10 000 stars

651
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,950
that means

652
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:27,120
[Applause]

653
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,000
approximately 10 000 or more planets

654
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:34,559
within a hundred light years

655
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,960
okay so we're not setting our goal on

656
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,039
going to the next galaxy i've seen

657
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,799
people try to do that the next country's

658
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,400
two million light years away friedman

659
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:44,240
you're crazy why do you need to go to

660
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,679
the next galaxy you know

661
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,600
if i want to know my wife wants a loaf

662
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,799
of bread for dinner i don't say i'm

663
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,400
going to australia there's a wonderful

664
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:54,640
bakery in sydney there you know the

665
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,400
superstore is two miles away

666
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,919
how long does it take to get to the

667
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:01,360
bakery well it depends which one you're

668
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:02,400
going to

669
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,720
uh okay now people want half an einstein

670
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,679
einstein said yes the speed of light is

671
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,000
the limit but we get awful close and

672
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,159
that large hadron collider you know over

673
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,240
at cern in switzerland

674
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:18,080
the particles are going around at

675
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:22,950
of the speed of light

676
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,679
now the other half of what einstein said

677
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,679
he said a lot else too but

678
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:29,919
is that as you get closer to the speed

679
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,880
of light time slows down for the things

680
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,799
moving that fast

681
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,559
don't ask me why that's the way god

682
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,799
created the universe this is a good

683
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,559
answer as i know

684
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,559
anyway how much does it slow down

685
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,960
depends on how fast you go

686
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,200
it only takes one year and i've tried

687
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,279
this little experiment on many campuses

688
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,840
i've given over 700 lectures in

689
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:54,240
all 50 states 10 provinces and 18 other

690
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:55,840
countries so i get a chance to talk to

691
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,200
classes colloquially uh fancy stuff

692
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,000
uh how long does it take at one g

693
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,840
which we all can withstand because

694
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,679
that's the force of gravity right here

695
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,960
where i'm sitting and where you're

696
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:08,159
sitting

697
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,200
um

698
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:11,919
it only takes a little less than a year

699
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,120
to get very close to the speed of light

700
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,720
and i've had people guess a thousand

701
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,120
years 100 years 10 years rarely do they

702
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:21,039
get but i've always had trouble getting

703
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,960
my mind around like how how long would

704
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,120
it take you there's no drag in space so

705
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,720
if you had this that's right i've read

706
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,880
about these nuclear propulsion

707
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,240
things that they were talking about in

708
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,400
the 60s that's basically just huge

709
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,799
nuclear explosions behind the crate oh

710
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,240
well that's different

711
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,320
that was a small program compared to the

712
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,520
ones we operated nuclear reactors

713
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,679
the uh remember most of the energy when

714
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,159
you throw out a bomb out the back end

715
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,480
and set it off only a small amount of

716
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,039
that energy hits the the pusher plate at

717
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,960
the back of the rocket

718
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,440
and they never tested anything because

719
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,760
there was an agreement on nuclear

720
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:59,120
bomb testing

721
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,559
but the

722
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:02,720
system that i want if you're going to

723
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,080
pick a real system is nuclear fusion now

724
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,480
that's what goes on in h-bombs but

725
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:11,039
to give you some comparison here

726
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,080
uh

727
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:14,240
i worked on a study of fusion propulsion

728
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:18,080
for deep space travel in 1962

729
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:19,679
and if you want to

730
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,640
go you can if you got the dough

731
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,600
uh

732
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,279
it's feasible now

733
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,200
to give you some idea of the difference

734
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,679
it makes if you use fusion

735
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,080
a chemical bomb during world war ii we

736
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,039
had 10 ton blockbusters

737
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,200
they released the energy of 10 tons of

738
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,159
dynamite wow and it took a big b-29 to

739
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,000
carry that bond

740
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,480
now that was in 1944.

741
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:47,279
in 1945 we tested our first

742
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,039
efficient device atomic bomb if you will

743
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:53,919
and that released the energy of about 16

744
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,440
000 tons of tnt

745
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,159
well we kept at it that was 45 and 52 we

746
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,399
tested our first h-bomb

747
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:04,080
fusion device

748
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,919
release the energy of

749
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:06,880
10

750
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:10,240
million tons of tnt that's quite an

751
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,360
upgrade

752
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:13,679
and well the russians went a little bit

753
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:16,720
better than that their biggest one

754
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,559
released the energy of over 57

755
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,360
million tons of tnt

756
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,279
one stinking bomb

757
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,120
i mean that

758
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:28,799
correctly you know

759
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,559
so what i'm saying is nuclear fusion

760
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,000
uh if you want to spend the dough to

761
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,360
develop it

762
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,200
and remember i said the the budget on

763
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:39,200
the aircraft connector propulsion system

764
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:40,640
we never built a nuclear-powered

765
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,080
airplane was 100 million dollars in one

766
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,559
year 1958

767
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,480
the stealth aircraft was developed at a

768
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,960
cost of 10 billion

769
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,360
over 10 years

770
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:55,039
and so we're not talking about peanuts

771
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,559
here if you want to develop any of these

772
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,320
things

773
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,039
so fusion would do the job

774
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,760
and i should say almost essentially all

775
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,360
the energy in the universe is produced

776
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,720
by nuclear fusion because that's what

777
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,799
goes on in all the stars

778
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,520
it's not a massive burning gas

779
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,279
uh you know and we've got to figure out

780
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:15,279
how to use that it's nuclear fusion we

781
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,559
didn't figure it out until 1938

782
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,880
uh fishing the same year as it happens

783
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,679
but

784
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,039
you know we didn't even discover the

785
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,159
neutron until 1932

786
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,480
we're babes in the woods we haven't been

787
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,640
around that long

788
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,960
uh and so

789
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,200
let me go back to something i said about

790
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,880
einstein said as you get close to speed

791
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,480
of light time slows down how much

792
00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:40,000
depends on how close you get as an

793
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,640
example at

794
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:43,919
99.99 percent of the speed of light you

795
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:46,559
can go 39 light years in

796
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,640
six months pilot time pilot time

797
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,559
another you go out come back marry your

798
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,080
granddaughter's best friend what the

799
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,880
hell uh yeah that's the mind-bending

800
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:59,440
part of this is that you know time will

801
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,159
be

802
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,320
constant on earth but for you it will

803
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:04,799
slow down and you could go to another

804
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,679
star and back in 300 years or something

805
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,080
i've heard will pass well you can go

806
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,399
much that depends on how fast you go and

807
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,880
the nice thing is incidentally fusion

808
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:17,520
uses isotopes of hydrogen

809
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:20,840
and helium now these are the two

810
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,159
lightest and most abundant elements in

811
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,760
the universe

812
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,039
so here you go there's going to be

813
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,559
hydrogen

814
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,039
it's uranium is not so abundant you're

815
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,159
not going to find this everywhere

816
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,679
and that's another reason for coming to

817
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,120
planet earth

818
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:39,760
uh this surprises people

819
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:42,880
uh it turns out that the earth is the

820
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:46,320
densest planet in the solar system

821
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:47,919
we've got eight or nine depending on

822
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,720
who's doing the counting on planets

823
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,760
uh

824
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,480
the earth is the densest cubic foot of

825
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:56,000
earthquakes more than a cubic foot of

826
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:57,279
any of the other appliances and you say

827
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,480
so what

828
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,640
well that means metals right

829
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:02,880
yeah you got it and heavy metals are

830
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,360
rare in the universe we know

831
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,519
uh what goes on in the stars because we

832
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,120
can measure the spectrum we take the

833
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,960
light and break it up and oh look what's

834
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:12,159
there

835
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,679
isn't it amazing that's how we found

836
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,880
helium

837
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,120
it was in the sun we didn't know it down

838
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,039
here

839
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,799
crazy world

840
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,919
anyway

841
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,159
the the point is that

842
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,320
you can zip around

843
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,080
if you've got the system to do it with

844
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,760
if you want to spend the money and all

845
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,000
the rest of that and how long it takes

846
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,840
just how close do you get to the speed

847
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,200
of light

848
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,039
and people the first objection you'll

849
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,919
hear hey stan it takes

850
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:42,159
enormous amount of the mass increases as

851
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,519
you get close to the speed of light you

852
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:45,200
forgot to mention that

853
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,720
well i was aware of it the kicker is

854
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,600
that yes if you were accelerating stuff

855
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:53,840
from zero it would take more and more

856
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:57,279
energy but if you use fusion

857
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,320
the particles are produced the exhaust

858
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,159
particles the ones that go zipping out

859
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,760
the back end

860
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,200
are produced

861
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:08,320
with huge amounts of energy

862
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:09,200
we

863
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,399
dynamite and an h-bomb 10 million

864
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:17,360
tons

865
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,320
of

866
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,159
chemical

867
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,480
dynamite tnt whatever you want to call

868
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,789
so you produce

869
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,600
particles charged particles that's what

870
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,799
you got to be clever you don't want to

871
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,640
produce many neutrons because they go

872
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:34,080
off in all directions and it's hard to

873
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,600
direct them out the back end because

874
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,200
they're not charged how do you interact

875
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,640
with them

876
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:40,960
but charged particles you can kick out

877
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,919
that way all of them going that way the

878
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,279
same way

879
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,279
and so there are papers that have been

880
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,960
published this is in the scientific

881
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,159
literature

882
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:52,159
now admittedly most of the ancient

883
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:53,600
academics don't know about them

884
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,080
especially the astronomers

885
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:58,000
for some reason they're bound and

886
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,440
determined they're not going to look at

887
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,120
any ufo information and they're not

888
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,760
going to look at technology done

889
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:06,399
not in academia but in national

890
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:09,039
laboratories or industry

891
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,399
they think everything's published in

892
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,480
peer-reviewed scientific journals that

893
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,320
was funny like if it's not published

894
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:16,720
they don't they don't believe it exists

895
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,519
well in an unclassified document you

896
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,360
understand this guy if it's published in

897
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,720
a classified document they don't even

898
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,960
know about it so

899
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,559
it's it's

900
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,480
what i find is

901
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,120
uh that the evidence is clear

902
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,440
a that aliens are visiting and

903
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,679
incidentally when i check in typical

904
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,880
lecture i might talk about five

905
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,600
large-scale scientific studies

906
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,360
and i would ask at the end of each i

907
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:43,279
describe what's in it and slides and

908
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,240
stuff

909
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,200
powerpoint sorry i gotta be up to date

910
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,960
uh then i ask how many people have read

911
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,559
this and i'm lucky if two percent have

912
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,080
read any of those five large-scale

913
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:54,240
scientific studies

914
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:57,760
there are four rules for ufo debunkers

915
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,919
don't bother me with the facts my mind's

916
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,039
made up

917
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,640
but the public doesn't know i'm not

918
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,919
going to tell them

919
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,480
if you can't attack the data attack the

920
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,240
people it's easier and nobody will know

921
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:10,560
the difference and do your research by

922
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,599
proclamation investigation is too much

923
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,119
trouble that's my favorite one i've

924
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,800
heard you say this so many times and

925
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,480
that's that's always been my favorite

926
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,639
one people that haven't i've heard some

927
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,560
debates that you've done and people that

928
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,720
haven't even done any research is just

929
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,800
saying well it can't be real well

930
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,079
you know

931
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,399
it

932
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,159
and just to be clear on this point of

933
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,359
how to get there so you're saying that

934
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:37,839
with conventional science that we've had

935
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,560
since the 1960s almost if the money was

936
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,280
there we could get to another star in a

937
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:45,440
year and a half pilot time a year to get

938
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,800
to the speed of light in six months

939
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,560
pilot time

940
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,720
between yeah if you pick the right place

941
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,119
39 light years wow

942
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,440
in a year and a half of pilot time but

943
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,160
then on earth a whole lot of more years

944
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,520
would have passed i'm assuming yes yes

945
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,839
and that's why i mentioned you you go

946
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,440
out come back marry your granddaughter's

947
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,880
best friend

948
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,960
yeah yeah so i guess

949
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,640
if they did a project like that they'd

950
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,920
have to get people that don't have

951
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,560
family or just okay with leaving and and

952
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,119
everybody will be dead when you get back

953
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,880
well you bring your family along you

954
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,280
know there's all kinds of ways around

955
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,599
that uh this is the thing that's always

956
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,599
struck me with some of the talks you've

957
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,880
given is that

958
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,560
some of these people are so negative say

959
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:32,880
there's no way to get there

960
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:35,280
you know from from there's no way for

961
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,480
aliens to get here from there but we

962
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,320
have the capability to do it and we're

963
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,079
pretty primitive i like how you've

964
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,320
talked about their stars they're maybe a

965
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,800
few billion years older than ours so

966
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,560
there could be civilization that's right

967
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:50,560
that are a few billion years ahead of us

968
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,160
in science and 1000 would probably do it

969
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,000
one of the things i love about what

970
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,160
you're talking about here with just the

971
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,320
regular technology is you're not talking

972
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,880
about some crazy exotic stuff that we

973
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,560
don't even have that's just a theory

974
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,040
like fourth dimension time warping you

975
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,880
mean yeah

976
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,640
i don't know about that wormholes and

977
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,720
warp drives and this is all theoretical

978
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,800
you're talking about actual science that

979
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:17,119
we've already got we just need the money

980
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,400
to do it

981
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,760
yeah and i don't think we should spend

982
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:21,040
the money frankly because i think if

983
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,480
we're going to another store it ought to

984
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,800
be an earthling project

985
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:27,119
and a planet that is spending a trillion

986
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,640
dollars on things military this year

987
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,960
not a very friendly place is it

988
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,880
yeah i i always think about that when

989
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,000
people say

990
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,680
why should we go to mars we've got

991
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,560
enough

992
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,480
problems down here you know we're just

993
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,720
going to blow trillions of dollars on

994
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,119
wars that are meaningless

995
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,200
you know i think going i can't believe

996
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:48,960
we haven't been there yet well it's well

997
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,079
within our capability

998
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:54,640
nation we just go the low earth orbit

999
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,520
orbit and you know do some experiments

1000
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,240
there which is meaningful well it's kind

1001
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:02,560
of it's the lack of leadership that gets

1002
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,210
to me

1003
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,800
[Applause]

1004
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,160
when i was in the space program in the

1005
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,320
60s i certainly expected we'd have a

1006
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,880
base on the moon by the end of the

1007
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,160
century

1008
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,160
and that by this time we certainly would

1009
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,040
have gone to mars and they are taking

1010
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,520
people are volunteering to go on one-way

1011
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:22,480
trips to mars as a matter of fact yeah

1012
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,040
about that that's so it's amazing to me

1013
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,880
i don't think they'll ever make it work

1014
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,119
but it's it's interesting well

1015
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,800
who knows and remember if you put

1016
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,520
efficient upper stage there you triple

1017
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,280
double or triple the payload that you

1018
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,320
can send so that's kind of neat

1019
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:41,040
now and there's another uh

1020
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,160
objection

1021
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:44,800
governments can't keep secrets

1022
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,680
dr neil degrasse tyson an outstanding

1023
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,920
astronomer hayden planetarium in new

1024
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,440
york

1025
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,400
he finished off or redid the cosmos

1026
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,920
series

1027
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,599
when he gave a talk at penn state

1028
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,520
university

1029
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,200
he said the proof that the government

1030
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,119
can't keep secrets

1031
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,800
is how much we know about president

1032
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,800
clinton's genitalia

1033
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,040
which is a very funny remark

1034
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,960
but totally unrelated to the question

1035
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,880
whether the government can keep secrets

1036
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:15,119
and yeah it is i think you do too i

1037
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,960
always mention the manhattan project

1038
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,480
when people say the government can't

1039
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,560
keep they had thousands and thousands of

1040
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:22,640
people working on that oh yeah

1041
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,240
well you know uh the the facility for

1042
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,160
enriching uranium

1043
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:30,320
was a gaseous diffusion plant at oak

1044
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,839
ridge tennessee it was a mile long

1045
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,520
and

1046
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,720
we used

1047
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,960
it used five percent of all the

1048
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,720
electricity produced in the united

1049
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,200
states to pump the uranium hexafluoride

1050
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,400
gas through little holes on barriers and

1051
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:50,320
when it goes in one end and comes out

1052
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:51,680
the other it's slightly enriched because

1053
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,040
u35 is a little lighter than u238 and

1054
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,800
you keep doing this and

1055
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,720
you know electricity was at a premium

1056
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:00,880
during the war we had to build planes

1057
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,920
and tanks and ships and stuff like that

1058
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:05,920
and yet five percent of the country's

1059
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,720
electricity was used in secret

1060
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:10,160
that's the reason it was in oak ridge

1061
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,280
incidentally

1062
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,440
they had tennessee valley

1063
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:15,599
dams producing electricity and nothing

1064
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:19,760
much to do with it except in victory

1065
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,400
but uh there i i

1066
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,720
show often i have shown on television

1067
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:26,320
and in my lectures

1068
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,560
some of the top secret umbra nsa ufo

1069
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,560
documents everybody knows about the nsa

1070
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,040
thanks to mr snowden uh never says

1071
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,960
anything that's what that stands for

1072
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,359
anyway there was a long legal action

1073
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,599
starting in the 80s uh

1074
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,599
of information act the suit by the

1075
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,920
citizens against ufo secrecy against the

1076
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:48,079
cia and then eventually the

1077
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,599
nsa

1078
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:51,119
and it turns out

1079
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,880
the nsa eventually released

1080
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,320
they held on and said we can't release

1081
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,680
anything because sources and methods

1082
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:59,040
information that's against a lot of

1083
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:00,079
release

1084
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,359
of top secret umbra

1085
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,640
nsa ufo documents wow there was a little

1086
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,680
problem

1087
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:13,680
uh you could read one sentence per page

1088
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,119
everything else was not blacked out

1089
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,280
white it out write it out yeah i've

1090
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,680
heard i've seen you hold up these

1091
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,079
blacked out papers or whited out papers

1092
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,160
when people say there's no cover up you

1093
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:28,400
know you can read one word a page or

1094
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,359
something

1095
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,839
one sentence per page not much better

1096
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,839
even when they release it i think this

1097
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,160
freedom of information act now is just

1098
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,640
castrated it's worthless it should be

1099
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,640
called the freedom to know what we want

1100
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,079
you to know

1101
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,079
well that's certainly the case they

1102
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,480
don't they don't really say i i filed a

1103
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,359
bunch of foia requests for kecksburg

1104
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:50,720
uh the texas yeah

1105
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,760
i filed i can't tell you how many uh all

1106
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,640
different wordings you know you got 100

1107
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,800
witnesses in that town that saw all

1108
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,280
these military people

1109
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,760
they came back we have nothing we have

1110
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,599
absolutely nothing

1111
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:07,599
well they even went to court

1112
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,680
and john podesta was involved in that

1113
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,160
in the legal action to try to recover

1114
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,880
that data a woman named leslie kane

1115
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,200
keene has written an excellent book

1116
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,520
about generals and pilots and so forth

1117
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,839
tell us their ufo stories

1118
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,079
and they tried to get the air force to

1119
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,319
release data and

1120
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:30,640
they couldn't find any and incidentally

1121
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:34,560
on these 156 pages of nsa ufo documents

1122
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:38,560
john greenwald who has an extremely good

1123
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,440
uh

1124
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,040
site on the internet and called the

1125
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,880
black vault

1126
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,960
thousands of pages yeah i'm familiar

1127
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,520
with that i'm on there a lot looking

1128
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,119
upstairs

1129
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,240
well he has now reported that

1130
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,440
they can't even find now the original

1131
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,520
documents

1132
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,079
the white it out ones you know

1133
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:02,720
they're gone somehow they disappeared

1134
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,109
and incidentally the cia in that same

1135
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,079
legal action had released up to it was a

1136
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,119
little under 900 pages of documents

1137
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,680
and not all blacked out i mean there was

1138
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,160
plenty of redaction as it's called

1139
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:24,240
but i finally went after them years

1140
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:25,520
later

1141
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,119
and got some top secret umbra one dozens

1142
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,160
of pages and it's all blacked out

1143
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,800
well six words here you know

1144
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:36,960
ten words on that page and stuff like

1145
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,000
that so it's it's almost a joke

1146
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,000
but anybody who says the government

1147
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,599
can't keep secrets doesn't know what

1148
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,599
they're talking about

1149
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,480
uh

1150
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,599
they goof once in a while you know and i

1151
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,280
certainly had my arguments with people

1152
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,040
classifying stuff when i was working in

1153
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,319
the industry that

1154
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,640
hey any college student majoring in

1155
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:58,319
physics would know that why is that

1156
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,839
classified

1157
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,280
you know

1158
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,040
these elements aren't on a list of

1159
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,040
things we're looking at because that

1160
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,800
would give away secrets well the fact

1161
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,400
that they're not there wouldn't give

1162
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:10,160
away a secret

1163
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,280
you know

1164
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,359
so while we're talking about documents i

1165
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:15,760
wanted to ask you about your work on the

1166
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,880
majestic 12 documents oh yes dear old

1167
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,599
majestic 12. this is one of my favorite

1168
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,000
i mean just to take all those and read

1169
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:26,640
them from for you know

1170
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,440
well

1171
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,680
one day is amazing

1172
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,160
you have to recognize that

1173
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,560
most of these so-called mj-12 documents

1174
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:36,960
are phonies they're hoaxes or

1175
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,280
i i found that out the easy way uh i was

1176
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,880
there was one document that mentioned

1177
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,359
general wiedemeyer and as far as i know

1178
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:47,920
he was a china expert why would he be

1179
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,480
involved in something about ufos so i

1180
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,880
called the marshall archives george c

1181
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,079
marshall the

1182
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,160
chief of staff during world war ii who

1183
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,839
went on to become secretary of state and

1184
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,400
so forth anyway and i asked the

1185
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,640
archivist i said can you think of any

1186
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,800
reason why you meyer would have been a

1187
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:06,000
part of this

1188
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:07,359
ufo stuff

1189
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,800
he said no why don't you look at his

1190
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,440
book i didn't know i'd written the book

1191
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:13,359
wedemeyer reports this is back in the

1192
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,640
50s

1193
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,400
okay i called the university of new

1194
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,160
brunswick library which is two miles

1195
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,839
from my house

1196
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,400
and asked about it they had a copy

1197
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,960
so i went over and got it

1198
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,800
and brought it back and started looking

1199
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,000
i found

1200
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:30,720
three documents in there

1201
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:34,960
that were among these mj12 documents

1202
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:37,839
they accept that they had been

1203
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,720
uh how should i put this adjusted

1204
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,960
certain change they were retyped

1205
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,960
the handwritten information the

1206
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:46,400
signature

1207
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:47,680
date

1208
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,960
was left the same and they

1209
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,240
uh

1210
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,319
made a few changes

1211
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,160
and they were phony documents because i

1212
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,880
had the originals and it was clear

1213
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,720
i found three in that i went back and

1214
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,079
found another book in the same part of

1215
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:04,480
the library found a few more

1216
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,839
and so i speak there are four genuine mj

1217
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,920
12 documents

1218
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:11,359
but i have

1219
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,960
attacked if you will all the attackers

1220
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,200
the reasons given for this document must

1221
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,520
be a phony it doesn't follow the date

1222
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:21,839
format in the government style manual

1223
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,720
big deal i've been to 20 archives a lot

1224
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,560
of time at the truman and eisenhower

1225
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:28,640
libraries for example

1226
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,520
and i had one file folder that had seven

1227
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,359
different date formats this is

1228
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,760
typewriter time you understand so

1229
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:37,520
depending on who typed it

1230
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:40,880
uh this was not computerized stuff

1231
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,520
and uh there's a whole long list of

1232
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,599
phony objections one

1233
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,520
uh it said and there's a briefing

1234
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,040
document the key

1235
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:51,680
thing is a briefing document

1236
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,550
for president-elect eisenhower

1237
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,839
[Applause]

1238
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:56,960
and

1239
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,599
it says the briefing officer was admiral

1240
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:01,839
roscoe hill encoder now he had been head

1241
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,240
of the cia

1242
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,760
and

1243
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,040
that people say well obviously the

1244
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,640
document's a phony it was only a rear

1245
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,599
admiral

1246
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:11,599
well if they'd look carefully all of the

1247
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,599
military officers were noted by their

1248
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,880
their

1249
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,040
generic rank

1250
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,800
general that covers lieutenant general

1251
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,480
brigadier general major general four

1252
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,760
star general

1253
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,440
admiral rear admiral

1254
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:27,359
and what's the other one there's another

1255
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,680
admiral in there

1256
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,720
and so

1257
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:33,040
that objection sounded great until you

1258
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,400
looked at it and i found loads of

1259
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,839
documents from

1260
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,560
a brigadier general a good pastor who

1261
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,960
was like staff secretary

1262
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,240
when there would be meetings at the

1263
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:44,079
white house he would keep track of who

1264
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,520
was there he'd write minutes of the

1265
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:48,960
meeting and a list of who who was at the

1266
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,640
meeting he always used generic ranks

1267
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,560
even for himself

1268
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,480
general good pastor

1269
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,640
they didn't say rear admiral or

1270
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,800
brigadier general they just said no or

1271
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,839
general

1272
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,359
yeah and you could answer the phone

1273
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,680
general good pastor but you better sign

1274
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,359
anything you wrote

1275
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:09,280
quicker general

1276
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,640
and there are a whole bunch of these

1277
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,839
objections

1278
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,839
and i've got a whole book top secret

1279
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,240
magic people can find my books with

1280
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,480
autographs if they get them from me as

1281
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:20,559
opposed to amazon

1282
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,680
at my website w dot stanton friedman

1283
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,280
it's got other information too but

1284
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,119
listen all the books the dvds and all

1285
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,119
this kind of stuff yeah i would i would

1286
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,960
highly recommend to my listeners if

1287
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:35,760
you're interested in anything ufo

1288
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:36,559
don't

1289
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:41,040
site because he has the

1290
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,480
most intensely researched and best

1291
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,480
books if you're looking for factual

1292
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,520
based

1293
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:49,680
information on this topic you have to

1294
00:47:55,110 --> 00:47:53,760
get his books don't go buy some tabloid

1295
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:55,120
books that you know

1296
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:56,400
[Music]

1297
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,200
are garbage you know because

1298
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:00,960
there's plenty of them out there

1299
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,520
you got over 50 years investigating this

1300
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,359
stuff and a lot of people

1301
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,040
my listeners might not be aware but if

1302
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,960
you heard of roswell

1303
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,960
it's largely

1304
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,200
because of mr friedman

1305
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,680
i'm the original civilian investigator

1306
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,680
yeah absolutely and i think that whole

1307
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,599
story would have just been swept under

1308
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,599
the rug and somewhere in the secret

1309
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:24,000
government there are people cursing at

1310
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:25,359
you

1311
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,240
well

1312
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,359
probably more more than one place

1313
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:31,680
because you really i mean

1314
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,480
that

1315
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,640
roswell's always been my favorite ufo

1316
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:37,040
story because it's so many twists and

1317
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,400
turns and

1318
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,319
you know i was gonna ask you did you

1319
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,880
hear this new theory that these alien

1320
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,359
bodies were some kind of japanese

1321
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,680
captured soldiers that were experimented

1322
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,000
on that people oh yeah that's been

1323
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,960
around for years and

1324
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,359
look one of the fanciest one is that

1325
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:58,160
stalin worked with dr death joseph

1326
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,920
mengele

1327
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,480
and they had some physically

1328
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,680
distressed

1329
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:06,160
people put on board a craft

1330
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:07,200
and they

1331
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,800
a panic like war of the worlds has

1332
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,400
started to panic

1333
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,640
and i hate to say that's a ridiculous

1334
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,280
argument

1335
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,440
for example the war the world's panic

1336
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,040
that took place in new jersey right

1337
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,800
across the river from you

1338
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,160
and uh

1339
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,319
new jersey is the most densely populated

1340
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,119
state more people per square mile

1341
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,720
than any other state

1342
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,880
and where the saucer crashed in new

1343
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:34,079
mexico

1344
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,829
that theory is just crazy i heard

1345
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,839
somebody talk about it was asian people

1346
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,359
from japan

1347
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,720
oh yeah yeah

1348
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,680
and uh

1349
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,680
one of the misconceptions about roswell

1350
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,160
though i wanted to ask you about is that

1351
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,559
people think it was a ufo crash but

1352
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,480
don't you believe it was two separate

1353
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,040
crash sites well okay

1354
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,240
there was a crash uh 75 miles roughly

1355
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,480
north of roswell out in the middle of

1356
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,319
nowhere near the little town called

1357
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,079
corona

1358
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,000
uh you know like the cigar like the

1359
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:10,240
toyota corona

1360
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,040
and

1361
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:12,559
when there was a 50th anniversary

1362
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,200
celebration of roswell in 97

1363
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,359
they had a sign on the old theater in

1364
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,839
corona

1365
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,520
forget about roswell it all happened

1366
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,440
here

1367
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,000
so the debris field was near roswell but

1368
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:28,720
that was but there was an almost intact

1369
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,400
craft worthy no no no

1370
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,880
well the debris field was near corona

1371
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,079
and there may have been a crew

1372
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:38,960
compartment found in miles away

1373
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,079
uh i think the reason i say that is

1374
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,640
because in my first conversation with

1375
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,480
jesse marcel

1376
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,000
he was the major

1377
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,240
with whom i first talked

1378
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,160
and he was the intel had been the

1379
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:55,040
intelligence officer at roswell people

1380
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,400
forget to mention

1381
00:51:03,030 --> 00:50:59,440
roswell was the home of the 509 the only

1382
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,040
atomic bombers in the entire world

1383
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,720
the most elite

1384
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,200
military group in the world and i say

1385
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,200
that because they dropped the bombs on

1386
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:11,599
hiroshima and nagasaki they dropped two

1387
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,480
more

1388
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,480
operation crossroads in the pacific the

1389
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,760
next year

1390
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,160
uh everybody had a high level security

1391
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,680
clearance

1392
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,680
it's a great they got a 13 000 foot

1393
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:23,839
runway

1394
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,559
and the air well it's the airport now

1395
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:28,079
then it was the air base

1396
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,119
uh

1397
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:30,880
which is much longer than most places to

1398
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,559
carry big b-36s with their a-bombs

1399
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,720
needed a huge runway

1400
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,160
uh

1401
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:40,880
b-36 was i used to watch him fly when i

1402
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,079
was in industry and down in texas and uh

1403
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,119
big old monster

1404
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,960
anyway roswell

1405
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,200
there was another crash over

1406
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,920
in the plains of san agustin

1407
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:56,160
and when i first talked to jesse marcel

1408
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,520
and i got to him

1409
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,880
strictly

1410
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,559
out of the blue again

1411
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,200
i was doing a television interview

1412
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:05,839
in baton rouge louisiana before speaking

1413
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,960
that night at louisiana state university

1414
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,119
supposed to do three interviews

1415
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:13,200
and people from the university brought

1416
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,400
me to the

1417
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:16,319
tv station and i did the first two and

1418
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,839
the third reporter was nowhere to be

1419
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,760
found so the station manager is giving

1420
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:22,079
me coffee he's looking at his watch he

1421
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:23,200
didn't want to lose the interview

1422
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:24,319
because he had his schedule in his

1423
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:25,599
programming but

1424
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:26,480
uh

1425
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:27,359
he

1426
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,680
talk to is jesse marcel

1427
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,920
[Applause]

1428
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,040
who's he

1429
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,880
a brilliant investigator that i am you

1430
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,760
know

1431
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:42,160
and his next sentence changed my life he

1432
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,520
handled wreckage of one of those

1433
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,880
sausages you're interested in when he

1434
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:47,280
was in the military what

1435
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,640
what do you know about him he lives in

1436
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,079
houma that didn't tell me anything

1437
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,160
because they didn't know where homer was

1438
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,920
i've been there since to talk to jesse

1439
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,520
as a matter of fact

1440
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,200
yeah he's a great guy we're old ham

1441
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,040
radio buddies

1442
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,800
you ought to talk to him so the next day

1443
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,160
we had a great response at the

1444
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,240
university that night the next morning

1445
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:06,000
i'm at the airport early

1446
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:07,760
got a plane to catch i thought i'd call

1447
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:11,040
information in homo wherever it was

1448
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:12,640
and they had a number for a jesse a

1449
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,359
marcel okay i called him

1450
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,480
and

1451
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,800
this is before the internet you know

1452
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,880
things were different than

1453
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,400
1978

1454
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,480
uh you know no internet

1455
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,559
and uh he told me a story and people say

1456
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,319
well why would he talk to you i thought

1457
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,480
it was all highly classified his picture

1458
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,880
was in the newspapers i found that out

1459
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:35,040
later i didn't know it then

1460
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,079
uh

1461
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,920
his picture was taken in the office of

1462
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:39,760
general ramey who was head of the 8th

1463
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,480
air force of which the 509th was a part

1464
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,400
and he told me a story and one of the

1465
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,000
first things he said was there was so

1466
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,760
much wreckage out there spread out over

1467
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,520
such a large area

1468
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,680
that he figured there had to be a meteor

1469
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,839
explosion

1470
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,200
because

1471
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,800
there was too much stuff and it was

1472
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,800
spread out over too large an area

1473
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,160
there's nothing conventional out there

1474
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,760
he'd seen airplane crashes in the

1475
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,960
pacific

1476
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,880
and there's a mess that's what i always

1477
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:06,640
thought when people talk about well it

1478
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,200
was just a weather balloon like yeah

1479
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:12,640
like these guys

1480
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,240
were around nuclear weapons and and uh i

1481
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,599
think they would know the difference

1482
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:19,839
between a weather balloon and an alien

1483
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,640
spacecraft or you know well jesse had

1484
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,280
taken he had taken a course

1485
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,520
on radar and weather balloons and all

1486
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:30,880
this he had to brief the airplanes when

1487
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,520
they went out on

1488
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,280
planned missions

1489
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,640
you know send a bunch of airplanes up to

1490
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:41,280
new york a pseudo attack on new york if

1491
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,240
you will

1492
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,559
so he was very familiar and the weather

1493
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:46,240
balloons were launched every single day

1494
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,319
at the base

1495
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,520
because you want to know which way the

1496
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,440
winds blow you know and how strong it is

1497
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,799
at altitude

1498
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,319
you can't tell that from the ground you

1499
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:56,319
got to send up a balloon and it radios

1500
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,760
back information

1501
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,359
so jesse was very familiar with the

1502
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,960
weather remember there were four

1503
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,480
explanations

1504
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,119
the first in the newspapers on july 8

1505
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,799
1947

1506
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,359
army captures flying saucer on ranch and

1507
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,400
roswell region that was in newspapers

1508
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,760
evening papers from chicago west

1509
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,359
the press release went out too late to

1510
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,359
make the east coast papers

1511
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,760
the next day raimi empties roswell's

1512
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,920
soster saucer

1513
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,960
uh

1514
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:26,000
so

1515
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,119
the

1516
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,400
said flying saucer

1517
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,319
then it was weather balloon radar

1518
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:34,880
reflector combination

1519
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:39,440
and then we had the mogul balloons

1520
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:40,720
now these were

1521
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,319
20 to 25 standard normal neoprene

1522
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:46,559
weather balloons at 20 foot intervals

1523
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,359
record twine tying them together they

1524
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,920
were supposed to be a constant altitude

1525
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,400
instrument platform they were trying to

1526
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,960
see if they could hear a soviet nuclear

1527
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,400
explosion because they didn't know when

1528
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,799
the soviets would go nuclear

1529
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,599
and uh it wasn't a very good idea so

1530
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,839
they would stay aloft for thousands of

1531
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,599
miles

1532
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,400
and they had found that underwater you

1533
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,400
can hear sounds over a very long

1534
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,400
distances layer the water through which

1535
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,720
sound travels better

1536
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,000
if you will

1537
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,559
but the fourth explanation

1538
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,480
the mogul balloon explanation sounds

1539
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,240
good we were testing mogul balloons in

1540
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,920
new mexico

1541
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,680
the only trouble was people have looked

1542
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,440
very carefully at the logs of those who

1543
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:30,880
were launching the balloons they said

1544
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,680
high security the purpose was classified

1545
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,680
not the technology they were not

1546
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,760
accompanied by case planes or anything

1547
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:39,920
like that to recover this exotic

1548
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,510
the fourth explanation was my favorite

1549
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,799
though

1550
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,400
they wrote the air force wrote a big

1551
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:51,200
report the roswell report truth versus

1552
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:54,160
fiction in the new mexico desert the air

1553
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,890
force applied the fiction

1554
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,440
[Applause]

1555
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:00,160
well the the fourth explanation they

1556
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,680
said they weren't going to say anymore

1557
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,680
but they wrote another report

1558
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,440
now they had discovered that we were

1559
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:07,680
launching crash test dummies all over

1560
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,040
new mexico so stories about bodies

1561
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,880
crash test dummies and they use the same

1562
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,440
map of where they dropped all these

1563
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:16,799
dummies

1564
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,280
i should explain the reason for that was

1565
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,119
airplanes were flying much higher than

1566
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,280
they'd ever flown before

1567
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,960
and if you were on board an airplane at

1568
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,040
40 000 feet

1569
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,599
and you had to eject

1570
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,720
uh

1571
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:33,040
you wanted to make the ejection safe in

1572
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,400
the first place

1573
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,559
because you had to find out

1574
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,640
how long does it take before you come

1575
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,720
down where the temperature is reasonable

1576
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,480
you can freeze to death you know at 40

1577
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,960
000 feet it's very very cold up there

1578
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:46,160
and you certainly aren't going to use

1579
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,720
pilots on these uh ejection seats

1580
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:52,240
and the

1581
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:55,680
bodies were dummies i found

1582
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,200
the air force officer

1583
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:02,000
colonel madsen he's dead now

1584
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,520
who had been in charge of the program

1585
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,359
his picture as an air force report they

1586
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,799
didn't talk to him

1587
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:08,400
they went back and looked at the old

1588
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:09,359
records

1589
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,079
he

1590
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,400
made sure that i understood a couple of

1591
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,280
things

1592
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,000
one the dummies were six feet tall and

1593
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:18,480
175 pounds

1594
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,160
and they were in air force flight gear

1595
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,160
you say why would you do that because

1596
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,079
that affects the drag and the heating of

1597
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:28,480
the body as it comes down

1598
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,559
you want to measure that

1599
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,000
and you can't do it

1600
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:33,760
you know without a dummy that isn't

1601
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:36,079
properly pressed if you will these were

1602
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:37,839
wooden dummies and often when they hit

1603
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,880
the ground the limbs came off

1604
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:42,799
and they didn't look anything at all

1605
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,760
like a small big headed alien yeah i

1606
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,839
always thought that was funny like okay

1607
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,040
it was funny

1608
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,040
did you use four foot tall aliens with

1609
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,000
big heads and big eyes and you know

1610
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,559
six fingers i don't i don't understand

1611
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,040
well depending on who you talk to

1612
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,720
and what's the matter time wasn't there

1613
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,799
a time discrepancy too like these dummy

1614
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,880
tests well none of the oh yeah the minor

1615
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,000
detail

1616
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,920
yeah none of these were launched until

1617
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,920
53 years later

1618
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,240
so what six years between friends i mean

1619
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:15,119
come on you know slight time lag

1620
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,480
time war

1621
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,880
time travel for crash test dummies the

1622
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,040
new technology

1623
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,839
it you know what's crazy is

1624
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,359
that explanation appeared on the front

1625
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,599
page of new york times

1626
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,200
and all i can say is that at the

1627
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,200
beginning of world war ii

1628
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,760
within two weeks of pearl harbor

1629
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,599
there was a director of censorship

1630
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,839
established

1631
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:39,680
and for example the newspapers couldn't

1632
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,400
use the word uranium any place

1633
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:44,400
they couldn't use fugal balloon the

1634
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:45,920
japanese were launching these big

1635
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,559
balloons with explosives on board

1636
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:50,240
from out in the pacific and the winds

1637
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:51,280
blow them

1638
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,640
and they're going to start fires all

1639
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,400
over the united states

1640
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:57,119
and there were a few started not many

1641
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,640
but you couldn't talk about that we

1642
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,480
didn't want them to know how successful

1643
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,400
or unsuccessful those balloon launchers

1644
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,760
were

1645
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:06,000
one person did die there was

1646
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,520
somebody i've read about that it's

1647
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,880
amazing that

1648
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,640
the government's response was to just

1649
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,000
not talk about it they didn't want the

1650
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,160
japanese to know that they were at all

1651
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:16,720
successful so they did yeah

1652
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:19,760
let them waste their energy

1653
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,640
so

1654
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,559
you know what i'm saying is

1655
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,040
it looks as if

1656
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,359
the air force had a

1657
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,240
policy of not releasing information

1658
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,359
that's no surprise

1659
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,960
and that's why i mentioned that air

1660
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,880
force press release about blue book

1661
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,799
special report 14.

1662
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:41,040
it set the tone when you have your top

1663
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:44,559
official in the air force flat out lying

1664
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,000
and then when i tried to get more from

1665
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:50,480
colonel weaver who wrote that big fat

1666
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:54,480
report he attacked the mj-12 documents

1667
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:57,520
you mentioned those uh he wrote bogus on

1668
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,240
them

1669
01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:01,040
and when he was asked by the fbi

1670
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,760
the

1671
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,839
uh fbi was worried his classified

1672
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,440
information being leaked here what's

1673
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:06,640
going on

1674
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,680
and he wrote bogus on every page of the

1675
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:11,760
documents

1676
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,280
and the airport of the fbi bought it

1677
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:17,119
i filed a freedom of information act

1678
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,760
request for all the information notes

1679
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:21,520
memos and blah blah blah you know you

1680
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,200
got to write in

1681
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,720
computers

1682
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:26,960
uh

1683
01:01:30,980 --> 01:01:29,119
and i wanted any information to back up

1684
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,990
this conclusion that

1685
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,319
[Applause]

1686
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,400
this this was

1687
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,240
phony in other words that these

1688
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,480
documents were funny we have nothing in

1689
01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:40,720
response to your request

1690
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:42,740
very useful

1691
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,079
[Applause]

1692
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:46,880
you know it's crazy you can get away

1693
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,150
if you work at it secrets can be kept

1694
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:54,480
and look i'm not saying the government

1695
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,720
should never lie which may sound a

1696
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,880
little strange but when we tested our

1697
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:00,319
first avon

1698
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:04,000
at trinity site in new mexico in 1945

1699
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:05,280
it was that was an earthquake or

1700
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:06,480
something

1701
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:07,200
no

1702
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,480
it was

1703
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:10,559
uh

1704
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:11,359
the

1705
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,400
uh explained it away as an ammunition

1706
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:16,640
dump had flown up that's right yeah i've

1707
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:18,720
heard that people had seen it from 100

1708
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,039
miles away the skies are clear in new

1709
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:23,359
mexico and it was one hell of a big

1710
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:28,470
and they got away with it and i don't

1711
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:31,280
blame them for doing that

1712
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:32,480
certainly

1713
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,240
the government was very worried about if

1714
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,640
the japanese found out what was going on

1715
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:38,559
and what cities were going to be bombed

1716
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,839
if any

1717
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,839
uh they would move american prisoners of

1718
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,319
war to those cities

1719
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:47,280
yeah i agree with you that in some cases

1720
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:50,319
sure it's okay to keep secrets but

1721
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,039
if

1722
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,240
really happened the way so many

1723
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,480
witnesses recall it

1724
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,640
it's the most significant event in human

1725
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:00,720
history it confirms that we are not

1726
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,440
alone in the universe yes and i don't

1727
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,200
believe that anybody has the right to

1728
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,960
keep that from us that's what keeps me

1729
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:08,880
interested in this and keep digging i

1730
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,359
keep digging and digging and digging

1731
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,440
unfortunately you gotta dig through so

1732
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,000
much garbage to get to any reason

1733
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,880
you noticed that huh yeah

1734
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:20,640
yeah i sent you

1735
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,200
i just sent you some files you know

1736
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,000
everybody knows this audio this uh

1737
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:28,480
alien autopsy was proven

1738
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:31,039
uh a fraud and yes it was i have just

1739
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,440
done an amazing amount of work on the

1740
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,680
alien interview

1741
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,920
which is a separate dvd came out after

1742
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:39,920
that nobody's ever debunked and i think

1743
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,079
i've successfully debunked it because we

1744
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:45,119
have proven that the person asking the

1745
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:47,839
apparent whistleblower the questions is

1746
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,799
also the person answering the questions

1747
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,720
oh you know that huh

1748
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,799
yeah yeah we've uh

1749
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,880
we've we've done our work i ran a

1750
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:58,720
commercial recording studio for some

1751
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,079
time so i know uh how to take a uh you

1752
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,480
know how to take that vocal disguise off

1753
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,799
and it's it's really laughable listening

1754
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,240
to this person

1755
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:10,000
ask the questions and answer the

1756
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,280
questions i know his name yes yes so do

1757
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,359
i and we'll reveal it soon

1758
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:17,359
i have uh

1759
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,119
you know in everything that i've looked

1760
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:22,000
into it's like it's such a waste of time

1761
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,599
to go through all these things that are

1762
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:25,680
frauds how do you feel about how that

1763
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:27,680
affects the field like this alien

1764
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:29,920
autopsy and all these frauds the carrot

1765
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:33,119
documents the fake mg-12

1766
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:34,000
yeah

1767
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:34,799
they

1768
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:39,920
unfortunately there are people like you

1769
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,480
and me who can go look for the truth and

1770
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:44,720
can reveal the truth

1771
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,440
and

1772
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,240
uh that's why i write books uh there is

1773
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,839
a need i don't know a better way to put

1774
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,520
it out

1775
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:53,520
and i've got a new book coming out as a

1776
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,599
matter of fact with kathleen martin

1777
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,160
betty hill's niece we did capture the

1778
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,640
betty and bernie hill ufo experience

1779
01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:02,160
and we've got a new book coming out that

1780
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:05,039
will be out in late this summer

1781
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:07,280
and keep your eyes open for it because

1782
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:12,390
some of the people who were telling the

1783
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:13,839
public

1784
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,920
lies were indeed lying and

1785
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,760
we can demonstrate that

1786
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,240
now i'm not i'm a demo physicist i'm not

1787
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:24,640
a psychiatrist so i can't tell you why

1788
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:26,400
people do things

1789
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:27,680
you know

1790
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:30,079
whether some of them were well i know

1791
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:33,119
that in some cases they were under

1792
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:34,480
security

1793
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,799
my biggest finding about mj 12

1794
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,799
was that one of the people on the list

1795
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,200
dr donald menzel

1796
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:45,359
was a total debunker he wrote three

1797
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:46,960
books he was a harvard university

1798
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,799
professor of

1799
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,400
astronomy you certainly don't need a

1800
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:52,480
security clearance to teach astronomy at

1801
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:54,880
harvard or any place else

1802
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,680
and all the other guys on this list of

1803
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,680
mj-12 members

1804
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:01,599
had high-level security clearances air

1805
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:04,319
force generals admirals

1806
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:05,440
scientists

1807
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,240
who were doing classified work

1808
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:10,079
but menzel

1809
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,680
to make a long story short i had to get

1810
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,359
permission from three different people

1811
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:16,079
to see his papers at harvard

1812
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:19,119
and was totally shocked to find that he

1813
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,400
he knew jfk quite well because

1814
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:24,160
jfk was on the board of overseers at

1815
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:25,680
harvard his area of interest was

1816
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:28,480
astronomy they sent breakfast together

1817
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:30,960
uh anyway there's a letter from menzel

1818
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:33,440
to jfk saying it is just after he was

1819
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,039
elected

1820
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,960
there's one area where i may be able to

1821
01:06:40,910 --> 01:06:38,559
be of some assistance to you and that's

1822
01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:40,920
with regard to the

1823
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,799
nsa

1824
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:45,039
i've had a longer continuous association

1825
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:46,480
with them

1826
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:48,880
and their navy predecessor

1827
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,440
than anybody when we are properly

1828
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,839
cleared to each other i can tell you

1829
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:55,599
more

1830
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:00,799
that mental was a world-class

1831
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:03,520
cryptologist

1832
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:05,920
uh and that's what the nsa does you know

1833
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,400
break codes and things like that

1834
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,240
and so it was a total shock to me

1835
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,319
because i didn't like the man i had one

1836
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:14,160
run in with him when i was speaking at

1837
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:15,760
harvard and

1838
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,960
uh

1839
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,200
i i did not respect him

1840
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:20,880
but once i found out what he'd been up

1841
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,760
to all this time yeah and it was a hero

1842
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:25,680
it's amazing this guy had such a double

1843
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:28,319
life like he's a mild man yeah astronomy

1844
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,240
teacher and then in the meantime he's

1845
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:32,640
doing all this top secret stuff

1846
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:34,880
yeah and you know people will say oh you

1847
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:36,799
can't leave a double life well i will

1848
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:39,599
mention three names burgess

1849
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,079
philby and mclean

1850
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:44,240
these were three guys who worked for

1851
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:46,400
british intelligence except they were

1852
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,400
russian spies

1853
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:50,160
now that's really leading a double life

1854
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:51,680
because you have to be extraordinarily

1855
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:53,359
careful like you don't give away the

1856
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:56,799
source of the information you know

1857
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,119
so double lives are possible and i

1858
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:01,920
developed a healthy respect for mental i

1859
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:04,240
i'd even talked to his wife who didn't

1860
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,520
know anything about his classified

1861
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:07,200
activities of course that's another

1862
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:08,880
thing i get people telling me well stan

1863
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,640
those guys in mj certainly would have

1864
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:12,480
told their wives what they do

1865
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,440
absolutely not

1866
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:17,279
as a matter of fact as an example of

1867
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:18,080
that

1868
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:19,679
the man who was head of the manhattan

1869
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:23,520
project was general leslie groves

1870
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:26,319
and he worked at the pentagon

1871
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,120
and

1872
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:29,279
his wife received a call from somebody

1873
01:08:34,510 --> 01:08:29,920
in

1874
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,520
august the 6th

1875
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:36,960
1945 that he thought she should listen

1876
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,040
to the radio news at noon

1877
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,960
okay so she listens he didn't tell her

1878
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,080
why

1879
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,080
and it turns out they announced that we

1880
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,000
had just bombed hiroshima and the war

1881
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,920
would soon be over

1882
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,679
and oh she figured that's why they told

1883
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:54,080
her because their son was due to be sent

1884
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:55,759
to the pacific area and they were

1885
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,480
expecting loads of casualties

1886
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,199
the last line of the broadcast

1887
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,239
this program to develop this

1888
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:06,799
super incredible new weapon this atomic

1889
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,199
bomb was done under the direction of

1890
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,600
general leslie groves that's when she

1891
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,040
found out what he'd been doing for the

1892
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,199
previous two years wow that's really

1893
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,759
amazing you know well i just did an

1894
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,759
interview with just so people understand

1895
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:21,600
some of this stuff with black projects i

1896
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:23,199
think you're absolutely right i just did

1897
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:24,640
an interview with somebody whose mother

1898
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:27,520
worked for eg g for 30 years

1899
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:28,640
he had

1900
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,759
absolutely zero idea what his mother did

1901
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,799
for them

1902
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:35,279
until probably after her death when he

1903
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:37,359
talked to his brother

1904
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,679
because she confided in him some things

1905
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,359
because he was also

1906
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:43,120
in the government he actually was one of

1907
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:43,839
the

1908
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:47,199
spokespeople after 9 11. he worked for

1909
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:49,839
army intelligence or something like that

1910
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,080
but 30 years he had no idea what his

1911
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,679
mother did

1912
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,360
well i believe that

1913
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,120
and it looked

1914
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:59,280
loose lip sync ship sounds like a silly

1915
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:00,840
slogan but during the

1916
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,600
war that was important because there

1917
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:05,600
were spies

1918
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,320
and they didn't especially things like

1919
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,400
ship movements

1920
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:12,159
you know the u-boat commanders would

1921
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,239
love to know that there's a ship leaving

1922
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:16,640
new york on this date heading east to

1923
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:17,760
britain

1924
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,560
keep your eye open it's a big one

1925
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,750
that's the real world

1926
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,000
we as a matter of fact a very good case

1927
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,480
of this information we worked very hard

1928
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:32,560
to convince hitler that the invasion of

1929
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:34,000
europe everybody knew was going to

1930
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,880
happen sometime but where

1931
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,880
and we worked very hard to convince

1932
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,080
hitler

1933
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,280
that where was callous la

1934
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:45,600
uh and there were even false buildings

1935
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,960
erected across the uh channel

1936
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,280
you know one of my favorite stories ever

1937
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,000
of world war ii is jasper maskelin who

1938
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:56,000
was a magician and he

1939
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,880
he uh created all these blow up tanks

1940
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:01,440
and all these things to convince him

1941
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,960
that the invasion was coming from

1942
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,719
someplace else hundreds of tanks were

1943
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,960
like blown up on the field and they're

1944
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,880
and they're uh and they let the planes

1945
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:10,960
the nazi planes fly over and see this

1946
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:13,840
stuff fake jeeps big planes you know

1947
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:14,800
yeah

1948
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,199
that was it was an official lie

1949
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:19,520
yeah that was misdirection of finest

1950
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:22,239
misdirection ever you know well they

1951
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,360
even put phony documents

1952
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,000
in the jacket of an officer who had died

1953
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,000
and they dumped them off

1954
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:32,080
spain knowing that the germans would get

1955
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:32,880
him

1956
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:34,960
and they weren't blatant they didn't say

1957
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:37,280
we're going to attack hitherton but any

1958
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,400
sensible

1959
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,719
analyst would conclude that the landing

1960
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,960
was going to get uh countless

1961
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,120
and the hitler's generals when we landed

1962
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:47,840
at normandy said send in the reserves

1963
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,719
they're attacking no no no no that's not

1964
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,719
the real attack they're going to attack

1965
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:54,400
over here i thought that was just a

1966
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,040
distraction from the real yeah so he

1967
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,360
made it till he sent the panzers

1968
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:01,199
dumb mistake

1969
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,239
well yeah but it does illustrate the

1970
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:06,960
importance of this information

1971
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,239
uh it can serve a major objective and

1972
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,320
good better and different is beside the

1973
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:14,000
point but you can

1974
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:15,679
cause

1975
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:18,400
false attitudes

1976
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,360
where it

1977
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,520
matters the most

1978
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,040
uh we knew

1979
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,280
by breaking well there's a good example

1980
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,120
of keeping secrets

1981
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,040
we broke the german codes at the

1982
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,440
beginning of world war ii enigma project

1983
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:33,600
and all this sort of stuff

1984
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:36,640
now you'd think when the war was over

1985
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:39,040
we'd tell everybody look what we did

1986
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,560
oh no

1987
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:42,239
there was no public discussion of having

1988
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,239
broken the codes for 25 years after the

1989
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:48,159
war the reason

1990
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:50,080
was that there were other people using

1991
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:51,040
those

1992
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:55,920
we were reading their mail too

1993
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,159
yeah yeah i'm a computer science student

1994
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,159
so i i've read all about

1995
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:02,159
touring and uh and what he did to break

1996
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:04,159
the enigma there's a movie too isn't

1997
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:05,679
there yeah

1998
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,679
great movie yeah it's a shame what

1999
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:09,440
happened to him after that but he was a

2000
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,560
genius to figure this out and

2001
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,480
really helped win the war

2002
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,560
well there were 12 000 people at

2003
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:18,640
bletchley park where that operation was

2004
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:21,440
being conducted not one of them spoke up

2005
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:24,880
for 25 years after the war

2006
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,600
so can secrets be kept you darn right

2007
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:29,760
they can we're not talking to people

2008
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,640
we're talking 12 000. who kept their

2009
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,920
mouths closed

2010
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,000
so i guess the stakes were high and

2011
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:37,760
people didn't want anybody to die if

2012
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,679
they were you know

2013
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:41,440
you didn't need to convince the brits

2014
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:44,840
that the war was hell unless i

2015
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,679
said know uh things i wanted to ask you

2016
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:49,920
about because i happen to be uh one of

2017
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,640
those uh computer science volunteers for

2018
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:54,719
the seti project

2019
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,040
oh yeah you know i do the study at home

2020
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:59,199
i've got basically uh

2021
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,199
well seti stands for silly effort to

2022
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,280
investigate right and listen i even

2023
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:05,360
though i'm a volunteer for that project

2024
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:07,120
and have been for years i have i have

2025
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:08,159
the

2026
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:10,159
basically i have a super computer built

2027
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:13,600
from uh junk in my

2028
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:14,800
it garage neat

2029
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:17,600
which was uh it has it has the it has

2030
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,640
the computational power of about 50 uh

2031
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,520
brand new desktop pcs i'd say and i just

2032
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:25,679
turn the data that they send me but uh

2033
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,800
yeah i agree with you uh

2034
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:30,880
i think it's kind of ridiculous the way

2035
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:32,960
that they're going about it because it's

2036
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:35,360
really uh it's really stupid to think

2037
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,080
that

2038
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:38,159
some advanced civilization is still

2039
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,159
using radio waves can you talk about

2040
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:42,560
what you feel about that stuff

2041
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:45,679
well i can certainly say that my one of

2042
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,000
my mantras is technological progress

2043
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,400
comes from doing things differently in

2044
01:14:55,910 --> 01:14:52,719
an unpredictable way

2045
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:55,920
in other words a laser is not just a

2046
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,679
better light bulb

2047
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,159
they're both sources of light but

2048
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,159
entirely different physics

2049
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:04,800
and everywhere you look uh

2050
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:07,600
i don't use a slide rule anymore it was

2051
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,760
perfectly effective tool but i can buy a

2052
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:11,520
little cheap calculator and do a lot

2053
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:12,480
more

2054
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,800
a lot faster freeman i'm one of those

2055
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:16,560
people that didn't know what a side

2056
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,159
slide rule was and i'm a computer

2057
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:20,560
sciences i had to go look it up and then

2058
01:16:16,709 --> 01:15:21,199
i

2059
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,719
laser

2060
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:18,480
energy well yeah they're looking at for

2061
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:19,440
laser

2062
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:23,520
would anybody send one here

2063
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:25,920
we've got all kind why do the city

2064
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:28,640
people refuse to look at the ufo

2065
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:29,760
evidence

2066
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:31,600
well let me give you an example of a

2067
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,800
miscalculation they made not bad science

2068
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:35,760
just they didn't know what they were

2069
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,800
doing

2070
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,920
uh

2071
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,440
frank break

2072
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:41,360
many years ago said there could be as

2073
01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:44,880
many as 8 000 planets in the

2074
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,840
galaxy that could be sending us signals

2075
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:50,159
eight thousand wow

2076
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:53,840
and now the number is in the billions

2077
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,239
of planets yeah so that famous drake

2078
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,400
equation was a little bit off apparently

2079
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:00,880
well yeah the drake equation you know to

2080
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:04,159
call it an equation y equals m c squared

2081
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,440
uh is silly because we don't know the

2082
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:09,280
values of any of the parameters what's

2083
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,920
the life span of a civilization

2084
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:13,679
we don't even know what our lifespan is

2085
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:16,080
no less any large number of others what

2086
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,320
would we expect out there

2087
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:20,719
that's a total unknown

2088
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,679
and remember that we're assuming uh we

2089
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,239
have a planet that rotates

2090
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,120
why wouldn't you send from a distant

2091
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:31,520
planet and another solar system to a

2092
01:17:35,940 --> 01:17:34,560
device that is in orbit

2093
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,950
you know we have

2094
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:37,199
[Applause]

2095
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:38,320
guys

2096
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,000
we have devices that sit in one place

2097
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,400
that send signals back down you know one

2098
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:46,480
place with regard to the surface of the

2099
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:47,600
earth

2100
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,640
uh

2101
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:50,800
it's one of those things if you've got

2102
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:53,360
all kinds of data why don't the seti

2103
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:56,480
people look at the ufo evidence

2104
01:18:02,950 --> 01:17:59,520
ted phillips has collected 5 000

2105
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:02,960
physical trace cases from 80 countries

2106
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:04,719
cases where the sausages are seen on or

2107
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:06,880
near the ground and when they leave one

2108
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:09,040
fights physical changes the equivalent

2109
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:11,440
of footprints which have been seen

2110
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:12,719
uh

2111
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:16,480
burn circles burn rings landing your

2112
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,520
marks

2113
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:19,760
and one-sixth of those cases involve

2114
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,159
reports of beings associated with the

2115
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:24,320
craft on the ground

2116
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:25,920
and you know you read your first 200

2117
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,000
cases and it's dull after a while same

2118
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:30,560
thing's happening all over the planet

2119
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:31,760
uh

2120
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,800
of course

2121
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,480
ted didn't know when he started off his

2122
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:36,000
stuff about these

2123
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:37,679
things like it mounts from air force

2124
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:39,840
base where when the ufo shows up all the

2125
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:41,920
missiles shut down

2126
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:44,400
uh that's scary as can be

2127
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:46,000
yeah i can imagine if especially if

2128
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,440
you're one of the government people

2129
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,360
trying to explain that to your boss what

2130
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:51,360
happened that day you know

2131
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:52,320
yeah

2132
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,440
and you don't it's impossible you don't

2133
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,679
want it to happen it can't happen you've

2134
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,760
set up the system so again incidentally

2135
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:01,760
in the soviet union

2136
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,400
uh and there's a nasa's former nasa

2137
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,239
scientist dr richard haynes has gone

2138
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:08,960
into this and there's a wonderful book

2139
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:12,480
nukes and ufos by robert hastings

2140
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:14,880
uh and he goes into these nuclear

2141
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:16,960
weapons on top of rockets in the soviet

2142
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:18,159
union

2143
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:19,440
suddenly

2144
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:22,640
a bunch of missiles went live started

2145
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,640
countdown fortunately there was a guy

2146
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:26,719
down there who shut him off

2147
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,159
but

2148
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,560
this has been going on for some time

2149
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:32,480
i think somebody's sending us a message

2150
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,560
and it does relate to i think one of the

2151
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,199
major reasons for coming here

2152
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:39,520
is to quarantine us

2153
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,120
in other words to keep us from taking

2154
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,600
our brand of friendship out there

2155
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:45,199
yeah now we could be dangerous to a

2156
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,159
whole other to to their siblings

2157
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:51,120
yeah and you know what people forget we

2158
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:52,239
have

2159
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:56,000
exploded 2 000 nuclear weapons on this

2160
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:57,040
planet

2161
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,400
people look at me like what are you

2162
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:00,480
crazy stan what do you mean two thousand

2163
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:02,400
that's what the numbers are

2164
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,239
all the countries that have them tested

2165
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:06,239
them tested in the air and on the ground

2166
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,199
and underwater and underground and

2167
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:11,280
2000 and the thing about nuclear

2168
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:15,120
explosions is they leave residue

2169
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:17,040
radioactive materials that only could

2170
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:19,360
come from nuclear explosions

2171
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:20,560
uh

2172
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:21,600
and so

2173
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,360
one reason for coming here is to

2174
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,440
quarantine us i think

2175
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:27,360
and the other is to keep track because

2176
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:29,360
we and it sounds silly to some people

2177
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:30,800
we're a threat to them we mean we're a

2178
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,600
threat to them well when you look at the

2179
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:35,520
fusion devices

2180
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:37,679
and you convert that into a propulsion

2181
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,600
system we could go out and take our

2182
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:41,440
brand of friendship out there

2183
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:43,320
but everybody knows it's hostility

2184
01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:44,400
[Applause]

2185
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:45,840
you know so

2186
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:48,080
yeah we're a threat to the beings out

2187
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:49,199
there

2188
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:51,520
after pearl harbor you'd think everybody

2189
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:53,679
would realize that you got to watch out

2190
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,709
you know one of the things about pearl

2191
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,400
harbor

2192
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:02,080
it's kind of funny

2193
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:03,920
in late november

2194
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:10,950
there was the army navy football game

2195
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,000
and in the program for the game

2196
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,480
it quoted somebody as saying it had a

2197
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,639
picture of the uss arizona big

2198
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,000
battleship

2199
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,719
nobody has ever sunk a big ship from the

2200
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:24,159
sky

2201
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:27,280
and a week later was pearl harbor

2202
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:28,880
and it went

2203
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:32,880
down under the water it was sunk badly

2204
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,040
eleven hundred guys died on board that

2205
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:36,719
the japanese knew you could sink a ship

2206
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:39,199
from the sky yeah wasn't that like the

2207
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,199
the navy's kind of uh

2208
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:43,679
push back against uh against an air

2209
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,480
force or yeah billy mitchell

2210
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,639
yeah billy mitchell had said at the end

2211
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,400
of the first world war

2212
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,719
that there will be sinking of ships with

2213
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,719
bombs from the sky

2214
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:56,320
and the secretary of the navy had said

2215
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:58,000
something silly like i'll be willing to

2216
01:22:01,510 --> 01:22:00,239
stand on any ship he thinks he can sink

2217
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:01,520
from with a

2218
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:07,669
yeah it was a little late and a lot of

2219
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,960
guys lost their lives uh so

2220
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,880
that goes back again progress comes from

2221
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:14,880
doing things differently if you can call

2222
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:16,560
being better at sinking ships progress

2223
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:20,080
but i guess if you're a navy man why not

2224
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,280
now

2225
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:24,400
the world is an interesting place and

2226
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:26,320
saucers have an interesting place in it

2227
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:29,920
there have been dozens of theses done

2228
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,560
which nobody refers to of course i have

2229
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:34,719
10 of them in my book top secret magic i

2230
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,760
list them

2231
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:37,360
but there have been one of them was on

2232
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:39,440
press coverage of this subject

2233
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:42,159
dr herbert strentz went on to be dean of

2234
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:43,600
journalism at

2235
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,440
drake university

2236
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,040
uh

2237
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,679
and he had some scathing remarks to make

2238
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,120
about the inadequacy of the press

2239
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,800
coverage he had read ten thousand

2240
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:54,159
clippings

2241
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,000
that would drive me up the wall i read a

2242
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:00,629
yeah it seems to me they always kind of

2243
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:03,040
do this tongue-in-cheek you know

2244
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,400
yeah almost laugh at the

2245
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:08,639
you know we're getting better i i think

2246
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,800
this kepler has had some

2247
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:12,960
impact on that that the notion that

2248
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,440
we're the big shots sent to one solar

2249
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,920
system et cetera et cetera

2250
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,159
is going down the tubes

2251
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:22,400
you know what's funny is that i i

2252
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,040
i recall specifically

2253
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,520
asking about other planets when i was in

2254
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:29,920
grade school and uh

2255
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,199
at that time we didn't have any of these

2256
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:34,560
oh no

2257
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:35,679
so

2258
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,639
i i was told adamantly that the only

2259
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,719
known planets are in our solar system

2260
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,880
there are no other planets and i was

2261
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,639
sure that if there's all these other

2262
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:46,880
stars there's got to be planets and i

2263
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:48,560
would argue with the teachers and they

2264
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:49,600
would say

2265
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:51,840
no you're wrong there's only planets

2266
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,239
here so we've come a long way towards at

2267
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,120
least acknowledging you know that there

2268
01:24:02,709 --> 01:23:59,280
oh yeah planets now

2269
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:02,719
well pat robertson will tell you that

2270
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:04,400
all the intelligent life in the universe

2271
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,520
is on planet earth and this ufo stuff is

2272
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:08,719
the

2273
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:15,760
6 000 years old too yeah

2274
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,320
it's not neat uh look how lucky we are

2275
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:20,239
to be at the or the right end of the six

2276
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,440
thousand years of course they should

2277
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,840
have said four billion but what the heck

2278
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:25,760
well it's a few zeros between friends

2279
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,560
huh

2280
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,800
yeah i don't know when somebody tells me

2281
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,960
that kind of stuff i just i i don't even

2282
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,880
speak to them because you can't convince

2283
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:34,880
somebody that's that's that convinced

2284
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:36,719
it's not i tell them the bible's not a

2285
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:39,760
science book you know it's nice

2286
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:41,600
it's good it's good to learn morality

2287
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,800
from but other than that i mean you know

2288
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,719
well it's got a lot of ufo stories in it

2289
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:48,719
too you got to read the book by dr barry

2290
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:51,360
downing and the bible and flying saucers

2291
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:53,440
i believe that i did and i'm well aware

2292
01:25:04,229 --> 01:24:55,520
of a lot of those different things and

2293
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,709
i heard a paper by a couple at the

2294
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:08,560
university of delaware

2295
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:11,760
they looked at 11 old civilizations

2296
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:14,800
and all of them without exception

2297
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:18,639
had stories about craft vehicles coming

2298
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,280
down from the sky carrying beings not

2299
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:22,800
angels

2300
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,120
beings

2301
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:27,920
and he's come back thousands of years

2302
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:31,199
so our arrogance uh you know we're being

2303
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,840
taken down a peg or two i think and i'll

2304
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:35,280
give kepler

2305
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:37,280
some of the credit for that

2306
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:38,080
uh

2307
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,639
we're not so special sorry folks

2308
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,400
yeah you know i heard i heard somebody

2309
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:45,920
saying i think it's a great way to

2310
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,400
explain it is that you know the more

2311
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,800
science progresses the more we realize

2312
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,560
how not special we are we used to think

2313
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:54,800
we were the center of the universe yeah

2314
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:57,600
oh well uh okay we're just the earth was

2315
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:00,159
all revolving around the sun and now

2316
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,320
we're in a galaxy that's revolving

2317
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,159
around other galaxies it just keeps

2318
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:06,800
getting worse and worse for us i guess

2319
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,960
well look when i was in the fifth grade

2320
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:10,320
our teacher

2321
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:12,639
in the science classes a long time ago

2322
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,040
some science anyway she said

2323
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:17,760
that the uh

2324
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,080
sun sits still

2325
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,080
and the planets revolve around the sun

2326
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:24,080
and i had just read in our 49 center

2327
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:25,840
volume encyclopedia bought at the

2328
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:30,149
that

2329
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:31,440
the whole

2330
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,280
solar system is moving around the center

2331
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,000
of the galaxy at 12 miles a second which

2332
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:38,719
just seemed extraordinarily fast and i

2333
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:40,239
piped up

2334
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:42,800
and she put me down i was a straight a

2335
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:44,639
student i wasn't accustomed to being put

2336
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:46,320
down so i didn't say anything but the

2337
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:47,760
next day i brought in the volume of the

2338
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,080
encyclopedia

2339
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,480
and she admitted that well maybe that's

2340
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:53,920
the way it is well

2341
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,560
almost 50 years later

2342
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:58,880
i went back to my hometown in new jersey

2343
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:01,199
for high school reunion

2344
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:02,560
50th

2345
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:03,360
and

2346
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,800
mentioned miss gutkin

2347
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:08,480
she was the teacher and

2348
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:11,840
you know she still is alive i said what

2349
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:12,880
yes

2350
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,199
she goes to the same synagogue that i

2351
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:18,000
belong to

2352
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,800
and

2353
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:20,159
i went

2354
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,239
and saw her

2355
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,800
and it had a quiet discussion

2356
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,120
but a movie had just been made stanton

2357
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:29,840
friedman is real

2358
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:32,080
and i had told some of the story so i

2359
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,719
gave a censored version to her

2360
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:36,560
and she said look what did i know about

2361
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:38,080
science i got

2362
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:40,000
she got a master's degree later but at

2363
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:41,120
that time

2364
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:42,719
you know i thanked her because it made

2365
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,440
me determined to get the facts before i

2366
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:47,040
spoke up

2367
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:49,040
and that's my rule have facts in hand

2368
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,520
before putting mouth and gear i just

2369
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:53,360
live by that too i should thank you for

2370
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,000
that i try to i really try to follow

2371
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:57,920
that i don't speak on something i

2372
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,120
haven't adequately investigated or

2373
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:03,600
really done my due diligence on

2374
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:04,880
well that's the way it should be

2375
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:06,480
especially when you're communicating to

2376
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:09,280
lots of people one-on-one is you know a

2377
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,639
different situation but when you're

2378
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,800
telling people

2379
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,800
millions of people

2380
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:15,600
uh

2381
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:17,920
and sometimes the debunkers do

2382
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:19,600
talk to millions just like some of us

2383
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,080
believers do uh

2384
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:24,000
it well let me give you an example of

2385
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,040
that and bill nye the science guy

2386
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,840
and i were on a television program yeah

2387
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,920
i'm very familiar with that i thought

2388
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:33,440
that's awesome

2389
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:35,760
and well he says you know friedman talks

2390
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,600
about cover-up and stuff well those

2391
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:39,679
documents they cover up people's names

2392
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:42,719
that's privacy issue it's not security

2393
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:44,239
i happen to have a copy of my book

2394
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:46,880
flying saucers in science with me

2395
01:28:50,709 --> 01:28:49,520
so i opened it up i found the page

2396
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:50,719
luckily

2397
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:52,639
and showed this is what i'm talking

2398
01:28:54,790 --> 01:28:53,840
about

2399
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:54,800
uh

2400
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,159
and it was essentially all blacked out

2401
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:00,719
and it was a technical document it was

2402
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:04,239
not a privacy issue at all

2403
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,239
but he got away with saying that at

2404
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:09,120
least until i piped up because

2405
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:10,000
gonna be

2406
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:13,280
uh do your research by proclamation

2407
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:16,639
yeah it was a great example of that and

2408
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,840
you know

2409
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:19,600
it's a battle but

2410
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:20,880
what i like

2411
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:23,600
look i've given over 700 lectures i've

2412
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:25,520
only had 11 hecklers and two of them

2413
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:27,440
were drunk

2414
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:30,000
uh and so i'm not a people people tell

2415
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,520
me you must get a hard time from the

2416
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:33,280
press and the audiences and stuff and i

2417
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:35,120
say i don't

2418
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,480
i've been asked to poll an audience

2419
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:40,000
at the end of a lecture at the

2420
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,080
university of manitoba

2421
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:44,000
and i said well i don't usually ask my

2422
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:45,040
audience

2423
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:46,719
participants to stick their necks out

2424
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:48,400
that's my job he said i don't think

2425
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,639
anybody mind everybody clapped this

2426
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:52,320
isn't the question answer period

2427
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:55,280
okay i had shown some gallup poll data

2428
01:30:01,350 --> 01:29:58,880
so how many people think no ufos are

2429
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:01,360
alien spacecraft fewer than 10 percent

2430
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:02,719
of the audience

2431
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:06,159
well how many think some ufos are alien

2432
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,360
spacecraft

2433
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:09,600
90 of the people it was very hard to

2434
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:11,360
find somebody who didn't

2435
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:13,440
and but the problem is the fear of

2436
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,120
ridicule

2437
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,880
and when i check at the end of my

2438
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:18,639
lecture i normally ask i'll make a

2439
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:20,320
little joke i get the first question we

2440
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:22,480
didn't let the cia in

2441
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:24,480
i want to know how many of you believe

2442
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:26,080
that you've seen what i would consider

2443
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,719
to be a flying saucer i defined my terms

2444
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:30,639
earlier in the lecture

2445
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:31,840
and

2446
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:37,679
barely over their heads you know

2447
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:39,040
hesitantly

2448
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:41,120
and i go one two three four five the

2449
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:42,400
time i get over the other side of the

2450
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:43,520
hole

2451
01:30:47,350 --> 01:30:45,199
it's ten percent of the audience and the

2452
01:30:49,990 --> 01:30:47,360
hands go up vigorously

2453
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:50,000
but then i ask uh how many of you

2454
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:51,840
reported what you saw

2455
01:30:56,790 --> 01:30:55,280
ninety percent of the hands go down

2456
01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:56,800
and i tried a little experiment in a

2457
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:59,440
classroom early in the day before a

2458
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:00,880
college lecture

2459
01:31:04,470 --> 01:31:02,480
and i arranged with the prof that he

2460
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:04,480
would count the votes i wanted the kids

2461
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:08,080
to vote with their eyes closed

2462
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:10,080
asked two questions

2463
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,679
how many of you think most people don't

2464
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:13,679
believe in ufos

2465
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:16,800
80 of the hands went up

2466
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:19,520
then i asked how many of you do believe

2467
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:21,440
that some ufos are extraterrestrial

2468
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:22,639
spacecraft

2469
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:29,030
fear of ridicule is apparently an

2470
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:31,679
important human emotion

2471
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:33,760
yeah i can imagine a lot of people just

2472
01:31:37,189 --> 01:31:35,600
don't don't come forward because they

2473
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:37,199
don't want they don't want to be

2474
01:31:41,270 --> 01:31:39,520
labeled and not you know

2475
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:41,280
yeah even though most people believe in

2476
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:42,880
ufos most people believe most people

2477
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:44,960
don't believe in you

2478
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:47,040
and they act accordingly

2479
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:48,719
the next thing that i wanted to talk to

2480
01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:51,440
you about is one of my is my second

2481
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:54,239
favorite case and that is the bob lazar

2482
01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:55,199
story

2483
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:57,760
now i know i know how you feel about him

2484
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:59,360
and that uh you know

2485
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:00,880
mostly because his educational

2486
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:03,440
credentials couldn't be verified

2487
01:32:08,070 --> 01:32:05,120
but recently

2488
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:08,080
jeremy corbell found a witness that

2489
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:10,320
placed him

2490
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:12,480
at um yes

2491
01:32:16,629 --> 01:32:15,120
as and said he was in the security

2492
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:16,639
briefings

2493
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:19,199
yeah and i i i talked to you briefly

2494
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:20,960
about this but i found another new

2495
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:24,000
witness whose mother worked for egmg

2496
01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:26,400
yeah i'm waiting to find out i'm waiting

2497
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:28,400
to find out more about that i have never

2498
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:31,120
denied that bob worked out at los alamos

2499
01:32:34,709 --> 01:32:33,040
his name was in the phone book i checked

2500
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:34,719
with the lab

2501
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:35,520
and

2502
01:32:39,430 --> 01:32:37,600
the number that was next to his name was

2503
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:39,440
that of the

2504
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:42,239
clinton d anderson maison accelerator

2505
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:44,239
facility that's an even longer name than

2506
01:32:47,189 --> 01:32:45,760
that it's a unique facility and

2507
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:47,199
professors come from all over the

2508
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:48,400
country

2509
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:50,000
to run experiments there because there

2510
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:51,440
isn't any other place to run those

2511
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:53,360
particular experiments

2512
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:55,360
and so i was satisfied that he worked

2513
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:56,159
there

2514
01:33:00,070 --> 01:32:57,920
no question about it

2515
01:33:02,550 --> 01:33:00,080
but nobody has said

2516
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:02,560
shown any piece of paper

2517
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:04,639
that gives his job title now i talked to

2518
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:07,199
the man you're talking about who

2519
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:09,040
on the phone had a long conversation but

2520
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:11,040
it's a strange name

2521
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:12,960
i want to say cremeglee but that's not

2522
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:14,560
right

2523
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:16,560
i i don't have my notes in front crank

2524
01:33:20,790 --> 01:33:19,199
crank crankle i think you're right an

2525
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:20,800
unusual name i'd never run across the

2526
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:22,800
name before and i had a long

2527
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:24,880
conversation with him he's got a phd in

2528
01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:26,880
physics from mit

2529
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:28,960
supposedly bob's alma mater but many

2530
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:30,159
years before

2531
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:31,920
and so we had a long conversation he had

2532
01:33:35,189 --> 01:33:33,600
seen him there and he looked like a

2533
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:35,199
scientist because he had the pocket

2534
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:37,600
protector i must admit i use a pocket

2535
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:38,960
protector

2536
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:41,120
protect my shirts my wife goes crazy if

2537
01:33:44,229 --> 01:33:43,360
i get all kinds of ink on the shirts

2538
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:44,239
uh

2539
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:45,520
anyway

2540
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:48,000
and i asked him he had seen bob there at

2541
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:49,440
a security briefing look everybody who

2542
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:50,880
works with us almost has to have a

2543
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:52,400
security clearance if you sweep the

2544
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:58,070
i said did you do anything

2545
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:01,600
to verify that he had a degree

2546
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:03,440
that he was a scientist

2547
01:34:07,430 --> 01:34:06,000
no why should i i know he was there i

2548
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:07,440
know he had a security clearance or he

2549
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:14,149
and so he did not verify

2550
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:16,239
that bob was a scientist now jeremy is

2551
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:18,719
saying he did but i've talked to

2552
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:21,040
jeremy briefly and we did a program

2553
01:34:24,390 --> 01:34:22,000
together

2554
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,400
and i talked to

2555
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:26,239
this guy and

2556
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:28,080
i don't think we have established that

2557
01:34:34,229 --> 01:34:30,880
bob is a scientist and the funny thing

2558
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:34,239
is uh george knapp who i consider an

2559
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:36,159
outstanding journalist yeah he's

2560
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:38,320
wonderful he and you are my two favorite

2561
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:40,880
guys in this in this whole mess

2562
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:43,360
well thank you yeah i'm in good company

2563
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:45,840
i always i always joke about you you got

2564
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:48,000
me started in this with all these books

2565
01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:49,600
and i always said if i ever got to talk

2566
01:34:53,109 --> 01:34:51,920
to you or meet you in person i i i

2567
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:53,119
wouldn't know whether to give you a big

2568
01:34:55,910 --> 01:34:54,880
hug and thank you or to punch you in the

2569
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:55,920
face

2570
01:34:59,910 --> 01:34:57,280
so

2571
01:35:02,390 --> 01:34:59,920
it's my fault that's all

2572
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:02,400
spend so much time on this stuff now the

2573
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:04,000
interesting thing both of us are from

2574
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:05,280
new jersey

2575
01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:07,600
uh george's was from jersey

2576
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:09,679
woodbury that's down near end of the

2577
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:11,840
state i think

2578
01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:13,280
uh anyway

2579
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:15,119
i have the greatest respect for george

2580
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:17,440
and when i my book flying sciences and

2581
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:19,520
science came out i made sure that he was

2582
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:20,320
the

2583
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:22,080
coast-to-coast host

2584
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:23,920
when i talked about it and he read the

2585
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:26,800
book as sensible questions etc etc

2586
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,480
anyway the last time i talked to george

2587
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:30,000
in person

2588
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:30,880
uh

2589
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:32,880
he said he didn't think bob had those

2590
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:34,560
degrees

2591
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:37,040
so he agreed with that he had given me

2592
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:38,480
for people who don't know the story he'd

2593
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,760
given me the name of bob's high school

2594
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:43,440
and i called them and

2595
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,719
called them back when they dug out his

2596
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,800
records and found that he'd finished in

2597
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:48,480
the bottom third of his high school

2598
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:50,320
class

2599
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:53,520
and had one science course chemistry

2600
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:56,800
now there's no way you can get into mit

2601
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:58,560
with those credentials

2602
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:01,040
got to be in the top 10 or 15 percent

2603
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,760
they might stretch it to 20 if your

2604
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:05,760
college board scores were super special

2605
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:07,920
or something like that but

2606
01:36:11,109 --> 01:36:09,440
so george

2607
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:11,119
gave me that information i passed it on

2608
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:15,750
but

2609
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:17,199
i checked with

2610
01:36:21,109 --> 01:36:19,520
mit i talked to five different people at

2611
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,119
mit

2612
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:23,199
and he doesn't show up anywhere i talked

2613
01:36:27,109 --> 01:36:24,960
to the legal counsel who said there's no

2614
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:27,119
way to wipe his records clean

2615
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:29,679
i talked to caltech

2616
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:31,119
no sign of

2617
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:32,320
bob

2618
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:33,600
uh

2619
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,480
now

2620
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,480
also at a meeting in rachel nevada at

2621
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:38,480
the little alien

2622
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:40,080
good place for hamburger larry king and

2623
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:42,239
i had hamburgers there one time when i

2624
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:45,440
was doing a show out there

2625
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:48,639
at rachel somebody asked bob for to name

2626
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:50,880
some of his professors

2627
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:53,679
and he thought for a minute said uh

2628
01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:55,280
there's a certain guy

2629
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:57,119
he gave his name

2630
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:58,159
uh

2631
01:37:01,510 --> 01:37:00,000
who will remember me from caltech

2632
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:01,520
physics

2633
01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:03,520
well i that guy was in my directory the

2634
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:05,360
american physical society of which i am

2635
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,600
a member and bob was not

2636
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:09,760
uh and he never taught at caltech only

2637
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:11,679
at pierce junior college which is close

2638
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:14,960
geographically but far intellectually

2639
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:16,880
and bob he did have bob and of course

2640
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:19,360
that he talked and thought it pierced

2641
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:20,719
uh

2642
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:22,159
at the same time when he was supposedly

2643
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:26,080
at mit incidentally 2500 miles away

2644
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:28,000
so george had no

2645
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:29,520
problem telling me he didn't think bob

2646
01:37:33,910 --> 01:37:32,400
had the degree but my response is

2647
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:33,920
why would you believe anything else he

2648
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:34,719
said

2649
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:38,239
especially about element 115

2650
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:39,360
uh

2651
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:43,600
which was discovered not by bob

2652
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:45,119
lazar

2653
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:47,040
he had nothing to do with its discovery

2654
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:50,239
and a big accelerator was operated for a

2655
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:51,119
month

2656
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:53,280
and they produced four atoms of element

2657
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,400
115 they were expecting to find

2658
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:58,480
some 115 because we look at the periodic

2659
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:00,480
table and know your physics

2660
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:02,719
there should be some isotopes

2661
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,800
115 but it has a half-life less than a

2662
01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:06,159
minute

2663
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,320
and there is no way you can accumulate

2664
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,639
500 pounds of this stuff

2665
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:12,320
which bob said that

2666
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:14,159
los alamos had

2667
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:15,840
and he had stolen some i don't know how

2668
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:17,520
he managed that it would have been the

2669
01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:20,719
most valuable stuff around you know

2670
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:22,639
so uh

2671
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:24,639
jeremy has said

2672
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:25,679
that

2673
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:28,239
crankle had verified

2674
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:30,080
but to say that a guy looked like a

2675
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:31,520
physicist

2676
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:34,400
and had a pocket protector

2677
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:36,080
is not enough

2678
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:38,159
to make him a scientist he's got no

2679
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:39,920
publications

2680
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:41,840
he's nobody's provided a piece of paper

2681
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,119
that gives his name and many people

2682
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,639
think well if you work in los alamos you

2683
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:46,400
got to be a scientist

2684
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:47,760
no way

2685
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:49,679
like a ge i'm sure they have just

2686
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:51,840
technicians they have i.t people that

2687
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:54,320
aren't signing oh yeah i.t guys and they

2688
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,000
have well you know the number generally

2689
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,400
the the number at general electric was

2690
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:02,639
1100 engineers and scientists out of 3

2691
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:05,119
500 employees

2692
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:08,080
sure when i was there and so you know

2693
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:09,520
one of the things i always wanted to ask

2694
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:12,000
you though is putting his this problem

2695
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:14,400
with his education aside

2696
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:15,360
and and

2697
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,119
one of the things i i keep coming back

2698
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:18,960
to is snowden being a high school

2699
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:21,040
dropout and somehow getting

2700
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:23,520
to work on these huge top secret

2701
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:25,760
nsa

2702
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:27,679
there's a difference between security

2703
01:39:33,510 --> 01:39:32,080
and science yes but my point being that

2704
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:33,520
maybe maybe

2705
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:36,000
he overstated his credentials or just

2706
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,080
lied about them i don't know but

2707
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:40,320
the guy had a particle accelerator in

2708
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:42,320
his spare bedroom

2709
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,960
and he built jet-powered cars

2710
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,960
yes he did he was a smart guy i've

2711
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,800
always said that well one of the things

2712
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,560
that i always think is that maybe the

2713
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:52,639
government didn't care about his

2714
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:54,159
education they just wanted somebody to

2715
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,080
look at these craft

2716
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:58,560
maybe somebody with uh well but where's

2717
01:40:04,709 --> 01:39:59,280
his

2718
01:40:06,629 --> 01:40:04,719
with regard to far out systems

2719
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:06,639
development

2720
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:09,280
i can't find one his buddy called me and

2721
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:11,760
they asked this is 20 some years ago

2722
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:12,560
uh

2723
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:13,920
what would it take to convince you that

2724
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:16,239
bob is telling the truth

2725
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:18,159
it was not an acrimonious phone

2726
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,080
conversation i said well it would take a

2727
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:22,880
resume copies of his diplomas

2728
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:24,960
a list of his papers memberships and

2729
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:27,760
professional groups stuff like that okay

2730
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:30,800
well i sent him an eight-page resume i

2731
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:32,960
probably couldn't find one now

2732
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:34,000
but

2733
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:36,000
in a list of my papers and pages from

2734
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:37,600
the directories of the american nuclear

2735
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:39,199
society and the american physical

2736
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:40,400
society

2737
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:43,040
i'm a member of both and bob isn't

2738
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:44,880
uh a member of either

2739
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,320
and i sent him all this stuff i never

2740
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:48,000
got anything back

2741
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,560
in other words scientists leave an

2742
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:52,080
imprint

2743
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,000
which is more

2744
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,719
like i say bob is a smart guy

2745
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:59,040
uh i have never said he wasn't well one

2746
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,639
of the things i've always wondered if he

2747
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,159
wasn't just some

2748
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:04,719
sort of renegade homegrown

2749
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,719
kind of inventor

2750
01:41:09,010 --> 01:41:08,800
kind of guy tinkerer

2751
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:09,020
and

2752
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:10,080
[Music]

2753
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:12,320
somehow walked his way into some of

2754
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:14,560
these top secret programs

2755
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:17,040
well but i think if he working at los

2756
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:20,000
alamos it made sense to work out at the

2757
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:22,639
accelerator facility because

2758
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,400
the professors coming from elsewhere

2759
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:26,800
could not often bring their grad

2760
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:28,719
students with them so they needed

2761
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,199
technicians

2762
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:33,360
people to help get the data

2763
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:34,800
if you're at your own university and

2764
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:36,400
you're using an accelerator you've got

2765
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:39,600
grad students that do all the dog work

2766
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:41,280
uh so

2767
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:43,440
that it makes sense that's not a place

2768
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:47,360
technician doesn't need a degree

2769
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,480
and so

2770
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:51,119
uh that he had a clearance like i said

2771
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:56,550
entirely everybody at los alamos has to

2772
01:42:01,510 --> 01:41:58,960
have a clearance

2773
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:01,520
so i'm i'm not denying that

2774
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:03,040
i agree with you and

2775
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,880
you know i started looking into this and

2776
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:06,560
investigating it and i try to keep an

2777
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:07,679
open mind

2778
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:09,679
i came into it with the same

2779
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,600
opinion as you if you lied about his

2780
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,520
education i don't know that i can trust

2781
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,360
anything he said but i keep finding this

2782
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:17,600
stuff and recently i just found a new

2783
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,239
witness who puts him on janet airlines

2784
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:22,480
flying into area 51.

2785
01:42:25,669 --> 01:42:23,679
well i i don't

2786
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:25,679
when i had one phone conversation with

2787
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,080
him and i was cordial and

2788
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:30,960
it was clear that he worked on

2789
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,760
radiation detectors

2790
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:34,960
and

2791
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:37,360
from flying into area 51 working on

2792
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:40,320
their radiation detectors i suppose yeah

2793
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:42,639
or in some other capacity that didn't

2794
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:43,600
involve

2795
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:46,239
extraterrestrial spacecraft

2796
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:48,719
yeah yeah that's that's what i'm saying

2797
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:51,760
so i'm waiting to find out more

2798
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:53,920
and i i would like to hear more about

2799
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:58,320
the woman who was uh worked for egg

2800
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:58,960
yeah

2801
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,800
i just finished the show and uploaded it

2802
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,719
i i have it it's on youtube i'm gonna

2803
01:43:06,629 --> 01:43:04,400
send you the link to your email so you

2804
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:06,639
can hear this story and see what you

2805
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:08,480
think and the other thing i would ask

2806
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:11,679
you is do you give no credence to the

2807
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:13,600
polygraph that he passed because he

2808
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,040
passed

2809
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:17,840
as far as i know one or two polygraphs

2810
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:19,440
i don't know enough about those

2811
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:21,679
polygraphs are kind of tricky there are

2812
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:23,199
people who can beat them

2813
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:24,880
but i don't know what questions were

2814
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,080
asked i mean is bob a smart cookie did

2815
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:30,239
he work at los alamos

2816
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:32,480
the answer is yes to both of those well

2817
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:35,280
i saw some footage that jeremy corbell

2818
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:37,840
published that he got from george knapp

2819
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:39,679
of those polygraphs and they did ask

2820
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:41,679
some very specific questions did you

2821
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:44,719
work in an area called s4 and area 51

2822
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:46,320
complex did you

2823
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:48,159
work on black engineering alien

2824
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:51,280
spacecraft and they answered yes

2825
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:54,159
did you uh embellish or you know make up

2826
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:57,280
any parts of your story no you know

2827
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:59,119
and uh i don't know what i think about

2828
01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:00,800
polygraphs but that was kind of

2829
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:03,119
compelling evidence to me

2830
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,880
i'll have to dig into that some more i

2831
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:06,639
haven't seen that footage i will grant

2832
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:07,920
you

2833
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:10,480
well i i guess the last thing i would

2834
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:12,560
want to ask you is

2835
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:15,040
you've looked into this ufo stuff for 50

2836
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:16,800
years

2837
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,639
what is the bottom line what do you

2838
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,400
think if there really are

2839
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:22,719
extraterrestrials coming here

2840
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:25,440
what do they want what's the agenda

2841
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,760
why are they visiting us

2842
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:29,760
well i got a whole chapter in my book

2843
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:33,040
about the ufo why questions and

2844
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:34,719
certainly

2845
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:37,199
what do they want uh i i've given a

2846
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:38,960
number of solutions i think one thing

2847
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,960
they want to quarantine us two they want

2848
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:42,400
to keep track of the idiots in the

2849
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:43,840
neighborhood to make sure there are no

2850
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:46,239
surprise attacks three they may be

2851
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:47,360
mining

2852
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:49,360
the stuff that's here that you know you

2853
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:51,119
know when uranium was used for 100 years

2854
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:52,639
ago

2855
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,320
yellow coloring agent yeah i heard you

2856
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:56,639
say the colored plates with it or china

2857
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:59,199
right that's right yeah china and that's

2858
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:01,360
illegal now of course but

2859
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:03,119
you know because it's radioactive and

2860
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:05,600
some of it washes off

2861
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:07,600
yeah

2862
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,480
but

2863
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:10,560
we have so many stories going back so

2864
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,520
long it would seem that

2865
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:15,840
maybe the alien university center

2866
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:17,280
graduate students here to do their

2867
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:18,800
thesis work on the development of a

2868
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:20,719
primitive society yeah

2869
01:45:23,350 --> 01:45:22,080
i thought that maybe it's some kind of

2870
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:23,360
anthropo

2871
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:27,199
maybe this was a penal colony they

2872
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:28,719
dumped all the bad boys and girls here

2873
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:30,320
and that's why we're so nasty to each

2874
01:45:33,430 --> 01:45:32,320
other

2875
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:33,440
and

2876
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:36,800
you know there's stuff here that's rare

2877
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:39,040
that we don't even know to pay attention

2878
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,040
to there are loads of reports over a

2879
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:43,199
thousand that i'm aware of

2880
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:45,040
sausage un

2881
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:48,480
submerged unidentified flying object

2882
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:52,080
unidentified submerged objects usos

2883
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:53,760
they may be mining the bottom of the

2884
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:55,600
oceans there are all kinds of nodules of

2885
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:57,600
metals and diamonds off the coast of

2886
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,760
africa and all kinds of stuff

2887
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:01,920
we don't know what why did the people

2888
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:02,960
come to

2889
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:05,280
the new world after columbus

2890
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:08,080
let's steal the gold of course no it was

2891
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,239
to convert the heathens

2892
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:12,480
no it's developed new vegetables

2893
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:16,480
tomatoes and potatoes and tobacco

2894
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:20,159
you know there's a huge variety

2895
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:22,320
and to steal land and all kinds of other

2896
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:23,600
things

2897
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:25,840
so we don't know

2898
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:27,040
it would stand to reason that the

2899
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:30,000
galactic federation would be monitoring

2900
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:31,520
the neighborhood

2901
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:34,400
you don't want surprise attacks

2902
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:36,000
also you're always looking for a place

2903
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:37,679
to retreat to or something if an

2904
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:40,560
asteroid destroys your planet partly

2905
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:42,639
you know if a supernova goes off and you

2906
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:44,719
need to relocate

2907
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:46,159
you got to know what's going on in the

2908
01:46:48,790 --> 01:46:47,760
neighborhood

2909
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:48,800
so

2910
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:53,360
and look for all we know eisenhower

2911
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,360
really did meet with aliens there are

2912
01:47:01,510 --> 01:46:57,760
two stories that

2913
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:02,390
and

2914
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:03,920
you know i i have the greatest respect

2915
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:05,600
for eisenhower he was looked down upon

2916
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:07,520
by the eastern establishment i didn't go

2917
01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:09,600
to harvard yale or any place like that

2918
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:10,480
but

2919
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:13,040
anybody who could get the germans on our

2920
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:16,239
side versus the russians after the war

2921
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:18,719
when france the united states and

2922
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:19,760
england

2923
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:21,679
had been fighting had fought two wars

2924
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:23,360
with germany

2925
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:26,000
has to have appropriate skills of

2926
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:29,040
handling people don't you think yeah

2927
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:30,880
absolutely i think he's an amazing

2928
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:33,119
historical figure absolutely

2929
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:35,360
yeah even if he didn't go to harvard or

2930
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:40,070
so i think there are a lot of questions

2931
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:41,840
we haven't answered

2932
01:47:44,229 --> 01:47:42,719
uh

2933
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:44,239
that's why i write books to try to

2934
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:46,880
answer them but with the the appropriate

2935
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:48,000
restriction

2936
01:47:52,390 --> 01:47:50,800
i haven't talked to any aliens

2937
01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:52,400
i don't know what they want who knows

2938
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:54,400
what drives them

2939
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:56,880
uh but i i do know that we have the

2940
01:48:01,990 --> 01:47:59,679
experience of explorers

2941
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,000
of our own experience

2942
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:04,800
every nation on the planet a big one has

2943
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:07,119
an air defense command to monitor the

2944
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:10,480
skies they don't have surprise attacks

2945
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,520
uh

2946
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:13,440
so it would stand the reason as soon as

2947
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:16,320
you expand the the baseline from a

2948
01:48:21,669 --> 01:48:19,119
planet to a solar system

2949
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:21,679
to a galactic neighborhood

2950
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:23,199
that you still have the same problem

2951
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:24,960
there might be rogues or idiots out

2952
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:26,000
there

2953
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:33,109
would you trust that guy in north korea

2954
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:37,440
with atomic bombs no absolutely not

2955
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:40,080
the final question i would ask you is

2956
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:41,679
do you think that the government is ever

2957
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:43,119
going to come clean with everything that

2958
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:44,960
they know or do you think is just going

2959
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:47,199
to be lost

2960
01:48:52,149 --> 01:48:49,760
well i think forever

2961
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:52,159
if we can get some media group in

2962
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:54,639
today's world to find a new woodward and

2963
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:56,480
bernstein

2964
01:49:01,910 --> 01:48:59,840
look if as soon as you bring up the 156

2965
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:01,920
pages of nsa documents that you can read

2966
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:03,840
one sentence in

2967
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,880
as soon as you show the cia top secret

2968
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:08,880
documents that you can't read

2969
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:10,719
oh i haven't mentioned general carol

2970
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:13,199
bolander

2971
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:14,800
he was an air force general who was

2972
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:16,400
asked what should we do about project

2973
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:17,920
blue book

2974
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,880
this was

2975
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:20,560
after the continent reporter recommended

2976
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:22,080
that it be closed well he was an

2977
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:23,760
engineer working on the lunar excursion

2978
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:25,440
module but he was asked to come up with

2979
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:27,920
a position statement and his memo in

2980
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,239
october of 69 uh recommended that it be

2981
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:34,800
closed because he said reports of ufos

2982
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:37,679
which could affect national security

2983
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:40,400
are made in accordance

2984
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:44,639
with 146 or air force manual 55-11

2985
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:48,639
and are not part of the blue book system

2986
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:51,040
that's an extraordinary statement

2987
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:52,639
two paragraphs later he says if the

2988
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,800
government closes project blue book the

2989
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:56,639
public won't have a re

2990
01:50:02,470 --> 01:49:59,280
organization to a place to report ufo

2991
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:02,480
sightings however as previously noted

2992
01:50:05,589 --> 01:50:04,239
reports which could affect national

2993
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:05,599
security will continue to be

2994
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:07,520
investigated using the procedures

2995
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:09,760
designed for that purpose now as far as

2996
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:11,840
i know i'm the only guy in the ufo

2997
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:14,400
community who talked to general bolander

2998
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:17,119
i located him 10 years later

2999
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:17,840
i

3000
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:30,880
why we've never yeah

3001
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:32,800
and that's the ones that are the most

3002
01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:35,440
important obviously

3003
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:38,080
you know if they go to sac faces i had

3004
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:40,480
one report which i told them about of a

3005
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:42,080
saucer flying down the runway at a sac

3006
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:43,599
base where nuclear weapons were stored

3007
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:46,480
and i say by definition i think that's a

3008
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:47,840
report which could affect national

3009
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:50,480
security don't you think and he agreed

3010
01:50:54,470 --> 01:50:53,679
so uh when we look at that

3011
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:54,480
uh

3012
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,480
if we get a woodward and bernstein new

3013
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:58,320
generation

3014
01:51:01,660 --> 01:51:00,480
to really dig into this they could do it

3015
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:01,670
in six months

3016
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:03,840
[Music]

3017
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,679
and all the denials in the world won't

3018
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:07,280
change the fact that there are these

3019
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:10,960
documents around top secret umbra

3020
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:13,040
and don't tell me it's all sources and

3021
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:16,000
methods and 99 of the document sources

3022
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:17,360
and methods

3023
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:19,520
and you can give me one sentence a page

3024
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:21,440
come on you know nobody's gonna believe

3025
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:23,440
that yeah i don't think

3026
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:25,520
i don't think so it's unfortunate that

3027
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:28,480
they keep everything from the people

3028
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:30,239
well that's the way they're playing the

3029
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:31,840
game as long as we let them they're

3030
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:34,639
happy to

3031
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:37,280
well mr friedman i could not agree with

3032
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:40,400
you more and i for one am not going to

3033
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:41,360
let them

3034
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:43,280
and neither should you my fellow true

3035
01:51:48,149 --> 01:51:44,880
seekers

3036
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:48,159
but sadly that music means that we are

3037
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:51,119
almost at the end of our time here on

3038
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:52,960
the midnight hour

3039
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:55,040
and at the mystery man show

3040
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:57,040
i think it's appropriate that we end

3041
01:52:02,790 --> 01:51:59,840
this incredible discussion with ufo

3042
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:02,800
legend stan friedman on the subject of

3043
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:05,520
government conspiracy and cover-up of

3044
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:07,360
the ufo subject

3045
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:09,040
because the truth is

3046
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:10,400
no one

3047
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:12,080
has done more

3048
01:52:17,990 --> 01:52:15,119
to end the government secrecy and

3049
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:18,000
government cover-up of ufos than mr

3050
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,080
stanton friedman

3051
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:22,080
you can visit his website at

3052
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:25,040
stantonfriedman.com

3053
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:36,310
s-t-a-n-t-o-n-f-r-i-e-d-m-a-n.com

3054
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:37,830
you can find out about his lecture

3055
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:40,400
schedule buy some of his books or learn

3056
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:42,000
more about what he's working on

3057
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:43,360
currently

3058
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:45,920
mr friedman i want to take the time to

3059
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:48,159
thank you immensely from the bottom of

3060
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:50,400
my heart for taking the time to talk to

3061
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:52,239
us tonight

3062
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:54,239
it's been an immense pleasure and

3063
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:56,239
delight to talk to you

3064
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:58,400
and learn more about this incredible

3065
01:53:02,070 --> 01:53:00,000
subject

3066
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:02,080
i want to wish you the best

3067
01:53:06,709 --> 01:53:04,960
on your continued journey to find the

3068
01:53:08,149 --> 01:53:06,719
truth

3069
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:08,159
it's it's good to talk to somebody you

3070
01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:10,239
know something about the subject

3071
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:17,430
well my friends i want to thank you for

3072
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:20,400
joining me for another edition of the

3073
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:21,920
midnight hour

3074
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:22,960
you know

3075
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:25,440
here at the mystery man show we had a

3076
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,440
real hard time starting this up

3077
01:53:34,390 --> 01:53:31,920
and i could say a lot of negative things

3078
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:34,400
about some of the so-called ufo

3079
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:36,719
community and other people not being

3080
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:38,400
quite accepting of what i was trying to

3081
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:39,440
do

3082
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:40,880
but i have to say

3083
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:43,119
that i'm amazed that someone of the

3084
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:45,280
caliber of mr friedman was willing to

3085
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:48,480
come on the show as a guest and help me

3086
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:50,400
when i started this show i had an

3087
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:53,440
incredibly hard time getting good guests

3088
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:55,040
and i never thought that someone of the

3089
01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:58,239
caliber of mr freeman would join me on

3090
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:59,440
the show

3091
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:01,679
but out of the blue one day i just

3092
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:03,360
called him up explained what we were

3093
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,280
trying to accomplish here

3094
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:07,199
talked about his books for a bit

3095
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:10,320
and mr friedman was awesome

3096
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:13,280
he just said when you want to do it kid

3097
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:15,119
and off we went

3098
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:17,599
and i have to thank him for that

3099
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:20,320
because he really did help us to get a

3100
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:23,520
great launch of the show i also have to

3101
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:26,159
both mention and apologize for some

3102
01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:29,280
strange audio echoing and

3103
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:31,599
glitches that we had during our

3104
01:54:36,550 --> 01:54:34,400
interview with mr friedman

3105
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:36,560
but sadly we were not able to fix some

3106
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:39,280
of this stuff and i could not ask

3107
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:42,239
someone whose schedule is as busy as mr

3108
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:44,880
freedman's to redo an entire few hour

3109
01:54:48,470 --> 01:54:47,360
interview so we had to go with what we

3110
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:48,480
had

3111
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,719
i hope you'll forgive me for that

3112
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:52,159
and

3113
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:57,440
working really hard to make sure

3114
01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:00,080
that we present the highest quality show

3115
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:02,719
possible going forward

3116
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,440
and it's also important to mention that

3117
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:07,760
this show as well as all of our previous

3118
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:10,880
shows have been simply test or pilot

3119
01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:12,800
episodes

3120
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:14,960
these shows were produced with the

3121
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:16,239
intention

3122
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:19,199
of finding distribution on existing

3123
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:23,199
worldwide paranormal radio or podcast

3124
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:24,800
networks

3125
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:26,480
and sadly

3126
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:29,199
that distribution or support

3127
01:55:33,589 --> 01:55:31,440
from those existing networks

3128
01:55:35,589 --> 01:55:33,599
never came

3129
01:55:38,709 --> 01:55:35,599
but with that bad news comes some

3130
01:55:41,350 --> 01:55:38,719
startling facts and here they are

3131
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:41,360
the midnight hour the mystery man show

3132
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,159
has gotten more views more listens and

3133
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:47,199
more clicks than almost any other of

3134
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:49,040
those shows

3135
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:50,560
per episode

3136
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:54,000
on those existing networks

3137
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:56,639
now this excludes some of the huge stars

3138
01:55:59,350 --> 01:55:57,920
of the field

3139
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:59,360
of course

3140
01:56:04,870 --> 01:56:01,920
but for a new show

3141
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:04,880
we have gotten an incredible amount of

3142
01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:08,000
listeners and i am so thankful to each

3143
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:09,679
and every one of you

3144
01:56:14,310 --> 01:56:11,119
for that

3145
01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:14,320
the truth is if you do the math you will

3146
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:16,480
find that this shows numbers are

3147
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:19,760
literally crushing most of those hosts

3148
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:22,880
per episode that are on the networks we

3149
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:30,709
and the truth is i am certainly no

3150
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:32,159
stranger

3151
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:35,679
to any artistic endeavor i have ever

3152
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:40,080
undertaken being initially rejected

3153
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:42,800
it's just kind of par for the course

3154
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:46,800
i'm used to it i'm okay with it

3155
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:49,679
the universe kind of steps aside for

3156
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:52,000
those so determined they will not be

3157
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:53,440
stopped

3158
01:56:57,990 --> 01:56:55,440
and you gotta know

3159
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,000
friends and fellow true seekers

3160
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:00,719
that i am not somebody that's going to

3161
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:03,599
be stopped so if we have to i'm going to

3162
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:05,840
go it alone and i've made my peace with

3163
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:08,320
that i'm good with it

3164
01:57:12,709 --> 01:57:10,480
as long as i still produce

3165
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:12,719
high quality shows that i'll still be

3166
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:15,119
proud of many years later

3167
01:57:19,830 --> 01:57:16,960
i'll be good with that

3168
01:57:23,430 --> 01:57:19,840
i don't really care what else happens

3169
01:57:26,390 --> 01:57:23,440
but i would really like to be a vehicle

3170
01:57:29,109 --> 01:57:26,400
for the truth the real truth

3171
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:29,119
behind many of these mysteries to

3172
01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:31,119
finally come out

3173
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:33,280
and like i said before the news isn't

3174
01:57:36,550 --> 01:57:34,560
all bad

3175
01:57:39,910 --> 01:57:36,560
we produced these pilot episodes that

3176
01:57:40,790 --> 01:57:39,920
did amazingly well numbers-wise

3177
01:57:49,990 --> 01:57:40,800
and

3178
01:57:52,870 --> 01:57:50,000
we have been reaching out once again to

3179
01:57:54,709 --> 01:57:52,880
some of those paranormal networks

3180
01:57:56,709 --> 01:57:54,719
because the truth is

3181
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:56,719
we could go it alone here and i'm

3182
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:58,480
prepared to do that if absolutely

3183
01:58:01,030 --> 01:58:00,239
necessary

3184
01:58:03,030 --> 01:58:01,040
but

3185
01:58:05,270 --> 01:58:03,040
this show would be so much better with

3186
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:05,280
the help and support of more wide scale

3187
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:06,719
distribution

3188
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:08,480
so we've been taking some time to kind

3189
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:10,560
of re-communicate with some of those

3190
01:58:14,229 --> 01:58:11,760
networks

3191
01:58:15,910 --> 01:58:14,239
uh now that we've established some of

3192
01:58:17,750 --> 01:58:15,920
our capabilities

3193
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:17,760
and i guess it's important that everyone

3194
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:18,639
knows

3195
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:23,040
that i have a few tricks up my sleeve

3196
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:26,159
for massively massively increasing our

3197
01:58:29,430 --> 01:58:27,920
listener base in the coming months and

3198
01:58:32,149 --> 01:58:29,440
you're ahead

3199
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:32,159
and if negotiations go well with any of

3200
01:58:36,149 --> 01:58:34,560
those other paranormal networks that are

3201
01:58:38,629 --> 01:58:36,159
willing to give us some support and

3202
01:58:41,109 --> 01:58:38,639
increased distribution they too will

3203
01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:41,119
benefit from those efforts

3204
01:58:44,950 --> 01:58:42,719
you know what we're really looking for

3205
01:58:46,870 --> 01:58:44,960
is a mutually beneficial relationship

3206
01:58:49,750 --> 01:58:46,880
because i have a great deal of skills

3207
01:58:53,109 --> 01:58:49,760
with all kinds of digital media

3208
01:58:55,669 --> 01:58:53,119
and websites and social media

3209
01:58:57,270 --> 01:58:55,679
promotion and all kinds of things

3210
01:58:59,830 --> 01:58:57,280
and i'm hoping that we could find a good

3211
01:59:00,629 --> 01:58:59,840
fit somewhere where the show can find a

3212
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:00,639
home

3213
01:59:04,550 --> 01:59:02,880
and we can both benefit from a good

3214
01:59:06,790 --> 01:59:04,560
relationship

3215
01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:06,800
so as for me i'm going to remain

3216
01:59:13,030 --> 01:59:09,599
incredibly positive about producing this

3217
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:13,040
show going forward whatever it takes

3218
01:59:19,109 --> 01:59:16,560
but listen if you are a listener of some

3219
01:59:21,270 --> 01:59:19,119
paranormal radio network or podcast

3220
01:59:23,430 --> 01:59:21,280
network and you think that they should

3221
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:23,440
carry our show take the time and email

3222
01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:24,239
them

3223
01:59:29,750 --> 01:59:28,000
really help us out

3224
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:29,760
and in the meantime i'm going to be

3225
01:59:34,070 --> 01:59:32,560
incredibly busy promoting and producing

3226
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:34,080
new shows

3227
01:59:38,790 --> 01:59:36,320
we've got an incredible new show coming

3228
01:59:41,270 --> 01:59:38,800
up with ufo researcher stan gordon

3229
01:59:43,270 --> 01:59:41,280
exploring the mystery of bigfoot and

3230
01:59:46,229 --> 01:59:43,280
bigfoot's possible relationship to the

3231
01:59:48,149 --> 01:59:46,239
ufo and extraterrestrial phenomena we've

3232
01:59:49,750 --> 01:59:48,159
got another show i'm very proud of that

3233
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:49,760
i've been trying to finish for a long

3234
01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:50,560
time

3235
01:59:56,629 --> 01:59:53,760
it's a show that details and reveals all

3236
01:59:59,430 --> 01:59:56,639
the secrets of every fake psychic and

3237
02:00:01,189 --> 01:59:59,440
fake medium you have ever heard of

3238
02:00:04,070 --> 02:00:01,199
thanks for joining us once again on the

3239
02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:04,080
midnight hour my name is stephen cambion

3240
02:00:08,790 --> 02:00:06,560
also known as the mystery man

3241
02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:08,800
reminding you that the truth is out

3242
02:00:12,270 --> 02:00:11,360
there you just have to know where to